“O yeah? Well… You’re a Muslim!”

December 11th, 2007 By: Michael van der Galien | Tags:

Ali Eteraz wrote one heck of a column for Jewcy about anti-Muslim feelings in the US – but I guess it’s the same everywhere in the West – when it comes to politicians. When a politician is a Muslim or is accused of being a Muslim that person’s career suffers.

One of the best examples of this prejudice and anti-Muslim feeling in the US is what happened to Obama: he was ‘accused’ of being a Muslim. The result? People didn’t say ‘who cares?’ he was forced to expose it (the ‘accusation’ that he attended a madrassa) as a lie. In other words: the reaction wasn’t “who cares whether he’s Muslim or not,” instead it was “no, no, he’s a good Christian!”

Another example Ali gives is the case of Keith Ellison. Ellison was blasted for putting his hand on the Koran, instead of on the Bible. Well, listen, he’s a Muslim. Of course he would use the Koran where Christians use the Bible. What’s more, each and every member of Congress – whether Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic or Christian – swears to uphold the Constitution. Not the Koran. Not the Bible. Not Darwinism. But the Constitution.

Furthermore:

According to a survey cited by the Washington Post, conducted by the Pew Center for the People and the Press, 45 percent of respondents said they would be less likely to vote for a candidate for any office who is Muslim. Compare this with the 25 percent who said the same about a Mormon candidate and 16 percent who said the same for an Evangelical Christian.

In a 2004 survey by Cornell university, almost half of the national respondents favored curtailing the civil liberties of Muslims. An astonishing 40 percent of Republicans wanted American Muslims to register their whereabouts (24 percent of Democrats).

This is a real problem: when Muslims say that they’re discriminated against, it’s hard to argue that they’re not if you look at the numbers above. Just put yourself in their position. The feeling I would get? ‘My own countrymen don’t trust me.’

After that Ali reacts to Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s column entitled “Islam’s Silent Moderates.” He writes: “[f]our days prior to the publication of the article, a Muslim writing at a reputable Left magazine condemned the injustice in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and India (among many others), calling his unjust co-religionists “dimwits.” Yet, according to the New York Times op-ed, this Muslim doesn’t exist.”

More:

Long before 2001 when Islamic reformation became in vogue, Muslims whose teachers were executed and who had to go into exile, were writing books about it.

Long before America cared about the rights of women in the Muslim world, Muslim women were launching anti-honor killing jihads.

One of the most far reaching attacks against Islamically sanctioned forced marriages has been a film from Pakistan, not a vitriolic screed written in a high-end magazine in London.

Whenever there is progress in the Muslim world, it is because of something Muslims themselves accomplish. After witnessing the insane amount of Shia-Sunni killing in Iraq, it was Muslims who were able to get together and reach an accord to stymie the violence. We should not forget that the crushing blow against Soviet Union did not come from the West, it came from inside the Soviet Union, and from behind the Iron Curtain. Even a cursory indulgence in the state of Islamic reform will reveal that the same is occurring in the Muslim world today.

Although Ali is right to point that, the criticism doesn’t – at least when I use it – mean that there are no Muslims who speak out against extremist Muslims. The problem is that many people get the impression that moderates form the minority. I’ve learned a lot, in this regard, from my girlfriend, her friends, family and relatives: at least in Turkey, the majority of Muslims most certainly are moderates. But we in the West would expect more than an occasional book from them, or an article here, an article there; we expect them to rise up and to organize mass protests.

Recently, we had a mass protest in the Netherlands from Turkish-Dutch: they protested against the PKK.

It was a good, positive protest, but why are Muslim Dutchmen not organizing mass protests against what Al Qaeda is doing?

A possible answer – I know this goes for my girlfriend and her relatives – is that they simply don’t think they have to speak out against something like that in order to ‘improve’ the image of Islam. They often don’t even consider terrorists to be Muslims. They think they’re enemies of Islam, if anything. Since we, Dutchmen, aren’t organizing mass protests in reaction to Islamic terrorism, why should they, they wonder?

“Speak out against terrorism.” They do. But in private. Just like we do. And when you ask them, they condemn it.

But we forget that, we basically want Muslims to act differently. We want them to do something we don’t do ourselves. The more I think about this issue, the more I’m beginning to think that we’re being a bit hypocritical. Why in the world would we ask our fellow citizens to publicly speak out against violence, the oppression of women, etc., if we don’t organize mass protests ourselves? And, frankly, mass protests in the West wouldn’t accomplish much anyway.

Does this mean that Muslims shouldn’t work to reform Islam, to – as a whole – break with the oppression of women, etc.? No, they do. But they should do that in a way it’s usual done: normally on a small scale, on a local level and supported by books, etc. This is already happening. The only thing we don’t see are mass protests and, frankly, I’m beginning to think it’s ludicrous for us to ask them to organize them.

O, and talking about mass protests: Iranian students have once again protested against Ahmadinejad. When we talk about Islam’s ’silent moderates’ are we saying that these courageous students are ’silent’? They, who are risking their lives and limbs? They, who openly oppose one of the most authoritarian regimes on this planet?

Back to Ali’s post: he points out that American Muslims are actually quite successful and good citizens, who pay a lot of taxes. Yet, the public doesn’t know about it. Why not? Because no one is educating the public about it.

“26 percent of American Muslim households earn more than $100,000. An astonishing 66 percent of American Muslim households earn more than $50,000,” he writes. He adds that “[f]urther, Zogby International found that while only 8.6 percent of Americans have advanced degrees, that number is 32 percent for American Muslims.”

So how to turn this around? Ali gives some advise, my advise to you is to head on over to Jewcy and to read them (I already quoted more than copyright allows I’m afraid). I think that he’s right on the money.

And yes, I’m moderating my tone on this issue a bit.

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  1. Xel
    December 11th, 2007 at 17:05
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    A defining post. Thoughtworthy, balanced and not once insubstantial.

  2. C Stanley
    December 11th, 2007 at 17:15
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    Hmmm. Isn’t it a form of "mass protest" when Western nations go to war against regimes that support Islamist terrorists?

    And I don’t know, if there were Christian extremists attacking other nations, and a misconception among the Muslim world that those people represented Christiandom, I’d feel the need to speak up loudly to make it clear that those people did not represent my true religion. I’d ask the leaders of my Church to issue statements to clarify that we condemn those people.  I’d even go so far as to say that I’d want my country to join in as an ally to fight against those extremists who were attacking a Muslim country, even at the risk of offending the less moderate Christians in my own country.

  3. Michael van der Galien
    December 11th, 2007 at 17:24
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    Hmmm. Isn’t it a form of "mass protest" when Western nations go to war against regimes that support Islamist terrorists?

    They were supported by (quite) some Muslim countries, no?

    And I don’t know, if there were Christian extremists attacking other nations, and a misconception among the Muslim world that those people represented Christiandom, I’d feel the need to speak up loudly to make it clear that those people did not represent my true religion.

    Really? I wonder about that. And – there are Muslims speaking out very publicly. Just not the millions some seem to hope for.

    I’d ask the leaders of my Church to issue statements to clarify that we condemn those people.

    And you think no Muslim leader has done that?

    I’d even go so far as to say that I’d want my country to join in as an ally to fight against those extremists who were attacking a Muslim country, even at the risk of offending the less moderate Christians in my own country.

    Good point. And there are Muslim countries who have done just that. Turkey is an example, another example is Pakistan. But there’s more: there’s also Kuwait for instance.

  4. Michael van der Galien
    December 11th, 2007 at 17:25
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    I noticed: it sounds like I’m picking on you today Christine, I’m not. We just disagree on these issues ;)

  5. C Stanley
    December 11th, 2007 at 17:37
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    LOL, I noted that we’re uncharacteristically disagreeing today too, Michael, but no worries- I can take it. Bring it on!

    They were supported by (quite) some Muslim countries, no?

    Yes, I wasn’t arguing against that (though there are some countries that have been recalcitrant, and even I would concede that countries like Pakistan have to tread carefully.)

    My point was that you seem to have argued that we aren’t holding ourselves to this standard ourselves, and I was just pointing out that we do ‘protest’ in that way.

    And you think no Muslim leader has done that?

    A major problem I think is that Islam isn’t organized the same way as Christian religions are. There’s no hierarchy, and even in Christian religions that don’t have the same kind of structure that the Catholic Church has, there are leaders who will speak for the church. And I’m just saying, if the situation was reversed and there were some evangelical Christian leaders who were issuing statements telling their congregants that they were morally obligated to kill Muslims, and then some other evangelical Christian leaders issued statements saying they denounced that, I think then that the Muslim world would be justified in saying that they needed to hear more of the latter before they’d be convinced that those people truly represented Christianity (in order to allay their understandable fears that the wrongheaded leaders were the ones who were prevailing and hijacking the religion.)

    Then there’s also the concern that we hear that Muslims are taught that they should not publicly criticize another Muslim. What are your thoughts on that? Have we been misled by those who say this is a problem?

  6. Nihat
    December 11th, 2007 at 19:13
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    "A major problem I think is that Islam isn’t organized the same way as Christian religions are."

    That’s it. A big "it" imo.

  7. Michael van der Galien
    December 11th, 2007 at 19:18
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    Very true although there are some ‘authorities.’ I believe there’s a university in Cairo, for instance, with quite some influence?

  8. C Stanley
    December 11th, 2007 at 19:25
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    What are your thoughts on my last question, Michael?

    Then there’s also the concern that we hear that Muslims are taught that they should not publicly criticize another Muslim. What are your thoughts on that? Have we been misled by those who say this is a problem?

    For example, among the moderate Muslims that you know now in Turkey, would people feel perfectly comfortable writing a newspaper oped calling for more criticism of Islamist terrorists? Would they say that moderates in most other Muslims would feel comfortable doing that, or perhaps a better way to say that is, in which countries would they feel comfortable, in which would they not?

    I’m trying to figure out how big of a problem is the possible existence of a code of honor which says you don’t criticize your own.

  9. Michael van der Galien
    December 11th, 2007 at 19:37
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    Then there’s also the concern that we hear that Muslims are taught that they should not publicly criticize another Muslim. What are your thoughts on that? Have we been misled by those who say this is a problem?

    That’s, as far as I can tell, nonsense, at least among Turkish Muslims. However, they’re less critical – in my experience – because it’s a cultural thing. Not because the other is Muslim, but… I don’t know: in general. With everything. Especially with regards to authority (and the government).

    For example, among the moderate Muslims that you know now in Turkey, would people feel perfectly comfortable writing a newspaper oped calling for more criticism of Islamist terrorists?

    Every single one.

    I’m trying to figure out how big of a problem is the possible existence of a code of honor which says you don’t criticize your own.

    In my experience, again, it’s not about religion. It’s about culture, about critical thinking.

    Aside from that, I think that many Turks are thought to think critically with regards to religion.

    But, still, to a degree less than we in the West. Again, not because of religion, but because of… culture. It’s fascinating  – sometimes frustrating – to see. I was speaking about this matter with a fellow Dutchman who lives in Turkey a while ago and we were in complete agreement that it’s not about religion (about whether or not the other is Muslim) but a general characteristic.

    oooo – generalizing here, aren’t we?

  10. C Stanley
    December 11th, 2007 at 19:46

    LOL, I can understand that kind of cultural difference. That’s actually a difference I see here between conservatives and liberals- the latter finding it much more acceptable to criticize,  almost an imperative to do so.

  11. Rad
    December 18th, 2007 at 20:24

    Very true although there are some ‘authorities.’ I believe there’s a university in Cairo, for instance, with quite some influence?

    A big NO. Speaking as someone from Indonesia, I can safely say that Indonesians don’t even pay attention to what our opportunistic Council of Ulama (Islamic religious leaders) says. Much less to someone from far-away Cairo who is locking himself preparing for the afterlife while forgetting that he isn’t dead yet.
    Sorry if I sound bitter, but I talked to a lot of Indonesian muslims & that’s what they feel. Oh, and they don’t even know that Al Azhar is in Cairo since we have a namesake in Jakarta :)

  12. Eteraz Around The Blogs « Ali Eteraz
    December 26th, 2007 at 00:42
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