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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/12/14/more-on-neo-nazis-and-vlaams-belang/comment-page-1/#comment-11216</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this earlier, but it seems something went wrong.
In Answer to your earlier question [22]:

The basic stand towards islamization of conservatives like Wilders1) and Dewinter2) is [and this list is incomplete and it may vary a little in between them]:
 
- an immigration stop for a number of years from islamic countires like Morocco and Turkey; 
- a quotum to asylum seekers and support of refugees in their nearby neighbour countries only;
- Christian/Jewish/Humanistic culture has to be dominant;
- Moratorium on the building of mosks and islamic schools;
- Close down of radical mosks, expulsion of radical imams;
- Forbid foreign financing of mosks [mostly by Saudi Arabia];
- Stop allowing immigrants who ar not of Dutch Nationality to vote;
- Firts ten years no right to any social benifits etc;
- No burqa&#039;s etc in government institutions;
- No public sercvants with two nationalities;
- Support of the United States and Israel in all circumstances in the war against terror, not only with words, but also with deeds.

Dewinter and Wilders both strive for a small, minimal government and low taxes. They also want the EU back to basics [a trade-treaty only], a free market like the US and law &amp; order [&quot;to serve and protect&quot;].

Most immigrants are attracted to the luscious welfare state in the Netherlands and Belgium. Once in, they benifit life-long financial, social [and religious] support. This is one of the main reasons [the other being islam] immigrants refuse to integrate and join society. 

Why would they? In Belguim the governement even imported extra immigrants and allowed them instantly a vote, just to change the population structure enough [immigrants vote the hands that feeds them=socialists] to prevent the Vlaams Belang getting too many votes. Immigration as a political game.

Please allow me add this: Vlaams Belang, the PVV from Wilders and other true conservatives in Europe stand up against socialist governments, -bureaucracy and islamists in the real life, not from behind keyboards [as Felix also states]. Adding to this, Vlaams Belang anf the Flemish are also in a freedom-struggle not unlike the Irish once were in.

They face fierce and violent opposition from the leftist political establishments and their footsoldiers [Blokwatch, Blokbuster, Indymedia, AFA, anarchists, militant marxists, the lot], who try to get rid of them by all means.3) Even ordinary citizens who openly support freedom of speech receive a share of it.4)

Wilders lives in safe-houses because of the dozens of death threats a day by islamists and socialists, Dewinter and the Vlaams Belang is like WIlders and the PVV, heavily demonized by the same kind of traitors [the real Nazi&#039;s and fascists] who instigated the murders of Van Gogh and Fortuyn. If they won&#039;t make it, Europe won&#039;t make it.

@ Outlaw Mike: You&#039;re welcome!

1. http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=497&amp;Itemid=126
2. http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/10/25/filip-dewinter-on-islamization-in-belgium/
3. http://sioe.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/update-on-the-copenhagen-demonstration-murder-attempt-on-sioesiad-denmark-leader-and-members/
4. http://www.balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this earlier, but it seems something went wrong.<br />
In Answer to your earlier question [22]:</p>
<p>The basic stand towards islamization of conservatives like Wilders1) and Dewinter2) is [and this list is incomplete and it may vary a little in between them]:<br />
 <br />
- an immigration stop for a number of years from islamic countires like Morocco and Turkey;<br />
- a quotum to asylum seekers and support of refugees in their nearby neighbour countries only;<br />
- Christian/Jewish/Humanistic culture has to be dominant;<br />
- Moratorium on the building of mosks and islamic schools;<br />
- Close down of radical mosks, expulsion of radical imams;<br />
- Forbid foreign financing of mosks [mostly by Saudi Arabia];<br />
- Stop allowing immigrants who ar not of Dutch Nationality to vote;<br />
- Firts ten years no right to any social benifits etc;<br />
- No burqa&#8217;s etc in government institutions;<br />
- No public sercvants with two nationalities;<br />
- Support of the United States and Israel in all circumstances in the war against terror, not only with words, but also with deeds.</p>
<p>Dewinter and Wilders both strive for a small, minimal government and low taxes. They also want the EU back to basics [a trade-treaty only], a free market like the US and law &amp; order [&quot;to serve and protect&quot;].</p>
<p>Most immigrants are attracted to the luscious welfare state in the Netherlands and Belgium. Once in, they benifit life-long financial, social [and religious] support. This is one of the main reasons [the other being islam] immigrants refuse to integrate and join society. </p>
<p>Why would they? In Belguim the governement even imported extra immigrants and allowed them instantly a vote, just to change the population structure enough [immigrants vote the hands that feeds them=socialists] to prevent the Vlaams Belang getting too many votes. Immigration as a political game.</p>
<p>Please allow me add this: Vlaams Belang, the PVV from Wilders and other true conservatives in Europe stand up against socialist governments, -bureaucracy and islamists in the real life, not from behind keyboards [as Felix also states]. Adding to this, Vlaams Belang anf the Flemish are also in a freedom-struggle not unlike the Irish once were in.</p>
<p>They face fierce and violent opposition from the leftist political establishments and their footsoldiers [Blokwatch, Blokbuster, Indymedia, AFA, anarchists, militant marxists, the lot], who try to get rid of them by all means.3) Even ordinary citizens who openly support freedom of speech receive a share of it.4)</p>
<p>Wilders lives in safe-houses because of the dozens of death threats a day by islamists and socialists, Dewinter and the Vlaams Belang is like WIlders and the PVV, heavily demonized by the same kind of traitors [the real Nazi's and fascists] who instigated the murders of Van Gogh and Fortuyn. If they won&#8217;t make it, Europe won&#8217;t make it.</p>
<p>@ Outlaw Mike: You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=497&amp;Itemid=126" rel="nofollow">http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=497&amp;Itemid=126</a><br />
2. <a href="http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/10/25/filip-dewinter-on-islamization-in-belgium/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2007/10/25/filip-dewinter-on-islamization-in-belgium/</a><br />
3. <a href="http://sioe.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/update-on-the-copenhagen-demonstration-murder-attempt-on-sioesiad-denmark-leader-and-members/" rel="nofollow">http://sioe.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/update-on-the-copenhagen-demonstration-murder-attempt-on-sioesiad-denmark-leader-and-members/</a><br />
4. <a href="http://www.balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/12/14/more-on-neo-nazis-and-vlaams-belang/comment-page-1/#comment-11215</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link 4 must be: http://balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link 4 must be: <a href="http://balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php" rel="nofollow">http://balder.org/presse/Demonstration-Amsterdam-Dam-Square-Freedom-of-Speech-Denmark-250206.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Felix Leiter</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/12/14/more-on-neo-nazis-and-vlaams-belang/comment-page-1/#comment-11206</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Leiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What surprises me is that the so-called conservatives, who throw mud at the likes of Vlaams Belang, have no answers of their own and they certainly have no plan.  If they cannot come up with solutions who are they to criticise others?  There are commentors at LGF, comfortable at their computer keyboards in locations distant from the real action, who criticise those who put themselves in danger but they have no answers or initiatives of their own.  Who do you trust, someone who goes out on a limb or those who do nothing but throw mud at those that do?  It is time that the commentors at LGF or the European Conservatives come up with some answers or just shut up an defer to those that do.

If fascism is on the rise in Europe then we have one group of people to blame and that group is timid conservatives who do not have the courage of their convictions.  They are a truly pathetic politcal group indeed.

Conservative groups in Europe and North America have to get real, they have to decide whether action is more important than words.  I fear that they are in love with words and see action as something that isway too risking for their sensitive, and practically useless, dispositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What surprises me is that the so-called conservatives, who throw mud at the likes of Vlaams Belang, have no answers of their own and they certainly have no plan.  If they cannot come up with solutions who are they to criticise others?  There are commentors at LGF, comfortable at their computer keyboards in locations distant from the real action, who criticise those who put themselves in danger but they have no answers or initiatives of their own.  Who do you trust, someone who goes out on a limb or those who do nothing but throw mud at those that do?  It is time that the commentors at LGF or the European Conservatives come up with some answers or just shut up an defer to those that do.</p>
<p>If fascism is on the rise in Europe then we have one group of people to blame and that group is timid conservatives who do not have the courage of their convictions.  They are a truly pathetic politcal group indeed.</p>
<p>Conservative groups in Europe and North America have to get real, they have to decide whether action is more important than words.  I fear that they are in love with words and see action as something that isway too risking for their sensitive, and practically useless, dispositions.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rob.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix Leiter</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/12/14/more-on-neo-nazis-and-vlaams-belang/comment-page-1/#comment-11183</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Leiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the actual policies of European Conservatives with regard to Islamisation?</description>
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		<title>By: eurofascism.info &#187; The &#8220;refutations&#8221; - one by one: 2. The denialists</title>
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		<dc:creator>eurofascism.info &#187; The &#8220;refutations&#8221; - one by one: 2. The denialists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] van der Galien has written a piece which mostly focuses on the &#8220;Hitler-groet&#8221;.Now, I disagree with him in the importance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Outlaw Mike, that picture has been used quite a lot by militant leftists in Europe to try &quot;prove&quot; their accusations. Without any succes in Europe I must add.

Van der Galiens political views as he describes in his comment look quite positive I must say, and fit those of the Vlaams Belang very well. They would agree on almost everything, including Burke.

The party of Van der Galiens preference though, the VVD, is not conservative in the true sense. The VVD is a social-liberal party, supporting government control of the economy, high taxation, and prefers a growing European Union, including Turkey.

They even opposed a referendum about the EU constitution. Actually, one of the frontrunners of the VVD a few years ago, Hans Dijkstal, joined the socialists in their demonization campaign against Pim Fortuyn, a conservative politician ...

In the Netherlands, the only true conservative party at the moment is the PVV (Freedom Party) of Geert Wilders, who was kicked out of the VVD exactly because of his conservative views and his stand on immigration and islamization. 

Wilders is, like Dewinter, a sincere advocate of the United States and Israel and both are opposed to the antidemocratic (and socialist) European Union and the islamization thats going on. Also -as usual in Europe- both are called Nazi&#039;s and Fascists by militant leftists

I guess Wilders and Dewinter would propose Van der Galien to also agree on Friedman, Adams, Tocqueville and even Reagan. I think the amongst the few reliable European partners for American Conservatives you can count on the PVV and the Vlaams Belang.

What strikes me though in the post of Van der Galien is that he compares European conservatives like himself with centrists in the US, and accuses anything to the right of himself as being Nazi&#039;s. Following his logic, all true American and European Conservatives are nothing but National Socialists:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Outlaw Mike, that picture has been used quite a lot by militant leftists in Europe to try &quot;prove&quot; their accusations. Without any succes in Europe I must add.</p>
<p>Van der Galiens political views as he describes in his comment look quite positive I must say, and fit those of the Vlaams Belang very well. They would agree on almost everything, including Burke.</p>
<p>The party of Van der Galiens preference though, the VVD, is not conservative in the true sense. The VVD is a social-liberal party, supporting government control of the economy, high taxation, and prefers a growing European Union, including Turkey.</p>
<p>They even opposed a referendum about the EU constitution. Actually, one of the frontrunners of the VVD a few years ago, Hans Dijkstal, joined the socialists in their demonization campaign against Pim Fortuyn, a conservative politician &#8230;</p>
<p>In the Netherlands, the only true conservative party at the moment is the PVV (Freedom Party) of Geert Wilders, who was kicked out of the VVD exactly because of his conservative views and his stand on immigration and islamization. </p>
<p>Wilders is, like Dewinter, a sincere advocate of the United States and Israel and both are opposed to the antidemocratic (and socialist) European Union and the islamization thats going on. Also -as usual in Europe- both are called Nazi&#8217;s and Fascists by militant leftists</p>
<p>I guess Wilders and Dewinter would propose Van der Galien to also agree on Friedman, Adams, Tocqueville and even Reagan. I think the amongst the few reliable European partners for American Conservatives you can count on the PVV and the Vlaams Belang.</p>
<p>What strikes me though in the post of Van der Galien is that he compares European conservatives like himself with centrists in the US, and accuses anything to the right of himself as being Nazi&#8217;s. Following his logic, all true American and European Conservatives are nothing but National Socialists:)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Neo Nazis and Vlaams&#160;Belang    Posted 15.Dezember 2007    PoliGazette » More on Neo Nazis and Vlaams Belang Charles Johnson links to two fascinating, “devastating” he rightfully calls them, posts about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Neo Nazis and Vlaams&nbsp;Belang    Posted 15.Dezember 2007    PoliGazette » More on Neo Nazis and Vlaams Belang Charles Johnson links to two fascinating, “devastating” he rightfully calls them, posts about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Too Bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if American Conservatives associate with people that the European Left brand as Far-Right or Nazi, then the European Centrists won&#039;t want to play with us?

I&#039;ve got an idea, for all you European centrists: Grow some balls. Real men don&#039;t care what cowards think of them, and real conservatives don&#039;t sell themselves out for fear of not being invited to liberal tea parties. You European Centrists are somewhere left of our center, and our center stinks of socialism and feminism. Yours is right in the middle of sitting down while peeing,  letting the bully punch you in the face because it would rude to not let him express himself and taking the pecker off the Royal coat of arms so your butch womyn don&#039;t have to kick your ass because you offended them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if American Conservatives associate with people that the European Left brand as Far-Right or Nazi, then the European Centrists won&#8217;t want to play with us?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got an idea, for all you European centrists: Grow some balls. Real men don&#8217;t care what cowards think of them, and real conservatives don&#8217;t sell themselves out for fear of not being invited to liberal tea parties. You European Centrists are somewhere left of our center, and our center stinks of socialism and feminism. Yours is right in the middle of sitting down while peeing,  letting the bully punch you in the face because it would rude to not let him express himself and taking the pecker off the Royal coat of arms so your butch womyn don&#8217;t have to kick your ass because you offended them.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah? So... do you agree with me then that Bert Anciaux of the leftist party &quot;Spirit&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vlaamsbelang.org/images/bertbrengthitlergroet.gif&quot;&gt;brings the Hitler salute?&lt;/a&gt;

Wouldn&#039;t surprise me at all you know. NSDAP stands, after all, for National Socialist German Workers Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah? So&#8230; do you agree with me then that Bert Anciaux of the leftist party &quot;Spirit&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vlaamsbelang.org/images/bertbrengthitlergroet.gif&quot;&gt;brings the Hitler salute?&lt;/a&gt;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all you know. NSDAP stands, after all, for National Socialist German Workers Party.</p>
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