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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are trying to say , but Elrey,  if everyone thought like you, the world would have been occupied by Hitler long time ago. or even maybe by others way before that. Seems like you rather dip your head under the ground and wait until the sting bites ya! Trust me, any change ...sooner or later,will effect all of us. by the way,  Some of you guys try to show off by going into army specs and details and head counting ,.... let me tell you all something, Vietnam was a small country &amp; under-estimated . What happened?   Iraq was believed to be a piece of cake and it was at the beginning, what happened? NEVER under-estimate the opponent. Study them as much as you can .  about paul&#039;s comment: Dum, Stupid and childish The invasion some of ya where talking about ! idiotic ! its not the 10th century anymore. you cant just invade somewhere and stay there for ever. the only result is imbaresment. last word: Every thing has a cause, but it may not be easy to find the real cause. I believe greed is a cause of most of the stuff happening arround the world. Dig out the causes from 50 years ago, you will find out why is the world such a messy place.....did you guys know a part of the Isrealies are actually Iranian?  I personnaly dont see a reason for hate between the two nations. This is just a way for the Iranian cleric Regime to justify there existance by keeping the force onto there poeple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you are trying to say , but Elrey,  if everyone thought like you, the world would have been occupied by Hitler long time ago. or even maybe by others way before that. Seems like you rather dip your head under the ground and wait until the sting bites ya! Trust me, any change &#8230;sooner or later,will effect all of us. by the way,  Some of you guys try to show off by going into army specs and details and head counting ,&#8230;. let me tell you all something, Vietnam was a small country &amp; under-estimated . What happened?   Iraq was believed to be a piece of cake and it was at the beginning, what happened? NEVER under-estimate the opponent. Study them as much as you can .  about paul&#8217;s comment: Dum, Stupid and childish The invasion some of ya where talking about ! idiotic ! its not the 10th century anymore. you cant just invade somewhere and stay there for ever. the only result is imbaresment. last word: Every thing has a cause, but it may not be easy to find the real cause. I believe greed is a cause of most of the stuff happening arround the world. Dig out the causes from 50 years ago, you will find out why is the world such a messy place&#8230;..did you guys know a part of the Isrealies are actually Iranian?  I personnaly dont see a reason for hate between the two nations. This is just a way for the Iranian cleric Regime to justify there existance by keeping the force onto there poeple.</p>
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		<title>By: Elrey Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elrey Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Iran or Israel.  Sure some do but many more (and that number is growing) do not.  The Middle East nor any of its nations should have any control at all of our foreign policy.  Yet we know without question that Israel does and maybe other countries there do also.  We have nothing in common with that part of the world and millions of fed-up Americans are finally liberating there formerly brainwashed heads and realizing what I do now - our foreign policy is controlled by media, Hollywood, and religious special interests that have not served our nation.  Get Middle Eastern news off the front pages and let&#039;s stick to America and its close nearby neighbors.  The Middle East through its violent born religions (Christianity / Islam / Judaism) has caused enough of the worlds problems.  Its a new day for many and many more coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Iran or Israel.  Sure some do but many more (and that number is growing) do not.  The Middle East nor any of its nations should have any control at all of our foreign policy.  Yet we know without question that Israel does and maybe other countries there do also.  We have nothing in common with that part of the world and millions of fed-up Americans are finally liberating there formerly brainwashed heads and realizing what I do now &#8211; our foreign policy is controlled by media, Hollywood, and religious special interests that have not served our nation.  Get Middle Eastern news off the front pages and let&#8217;s stick to America and its close nearby neighbors.  The Middle East through its violent born religions (Christianity / Islam / Judaism) has caused enough of the worlds problems.  Its a new day for many and many more coming.</p>
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		<title>By: politicalpartypoop.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How dare those nasty blogers question the brilliance of Ron Paul?</title>
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		<dc:creator>politicalpartypoop.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How dare those nasty blogers question the brilliance of Ron Paul?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rudi666</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes Iran really does have an army. And an air force.
Yes, lets talk about Irans Air Farce. The fighters are/and based on 1970&#039;s F-5 technology. Global Security and other military info sights have much about Iran&#039;s AF.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/azarakhsh.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/saeqeh.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/shafaq.htm

http://www.ainonline.com/airshow-convention-news/dubai-air-show/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/iran-struggles-to-field-a-fighter/?no_cache=1&amp;tx_ttnews%5Bmode%5D=1

&lt;blockquote&gt;Western powers increasingly characterize Iran as a potential cause for instability in the Middle East. The U.S. and its allies charge Tehran with funding and supporting the insurgency in Iraq, maintaining a well-developed ballistic missile program and seeking its own nuclear arsenal. But while those high objectives may or may not occupy the Iranian government’s wish list, the acquisition of a new-age fighter aircraft does not seem to command anywhere near the funding priority Iran has reportedly given its missile and nuclear programs. In fact, the country’s efforts to design and develop its own aircraft do not seem to have progressed meaningfully in the last three years, leaving in question its viability as a serious producer.


The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) has suffered through a difficult history over the 25 years since the 1979 Khomeini Revolution. Today, it maintains an aging fleet of largely Vietnam-era aircraft, supplemented by some acquisitions in the 1990s of Russian-built Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters and Sukhoi Su-24 fighter-bombers.


Many considered the buys from Moscow a first step in a plan to switch from an all-American to an all-Russian-made air force. But the follow-on procurements that Russian defense export agency Rosoboronexport dreamed up never materialized and the &lt;strong&gt;IRIAF has had to make do with a fleet of largely U.S.-made fighters equipped with 1970s avionics.&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes Iran really does have an army. And an air force.<br />
Yes, lets talk about Irans Air Farce. The fighters are/and based on 1970&#8217;s F-5 technology. Global Security and other military info sights have much about Iran&#8217;s AF.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/azarakhsh.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/azarakhsh.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/saeqeh.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/saeqeh.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/shafaq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/shafaq.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ainonline.com/airshow-convention-news/dubai-air-show/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/iran-struggles-to-field-a-fighter/?no_cache=1&amp;tx_ttnews%5Bmode%5D=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ainonline.com/airshow-convention-news/dubai-air-show/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/iran-struggles-to-field-a-fighter/?no_cache=1&amp;tx_ttnews%5Bmode%5D=1</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Western powers increasingly characterize Iran as a potential cause for instability in the Middle East. The U.S. and its allies charge Tehran with funding and supporting the insurgency in Iraq, maintaining a well-developed ballistic missile program and seeking its own nuclear arsenal. But while those high objectives may or may not occupy the Iranian government’s wish list, the acquisition of a new-age fighter aircraft does not seem to command anywhere near the funding priority Iran has reportedly given its missile and nuclear programs. In fact, the country’s efforts to design and develop its own aircraft do not seem to have progressed meaningfully in the last three years, leaving in question its viability as a serious producer.</p>
<p>The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) has suffered through a difficult history over the 25 years since the 1979 Khomeini Revolution. Today, it maintains an aging fleet of largely Vietnam-era aircraft, supplemented by some acquisitions in the 1990s of Russian-built Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters and Sukhoi Su-24 fighter-bombers.</p>
<p>Many considered the buys from Moscow a first step in a plan to switch from an all-American to an all-Russian-made air force. But the follow-on procurements that Russian defense export agency Rosoboronexport dreamed up never materialized and the <strong>IRIAF has had to make do with a fleet of largely U.S.-made fighters equipped with 1970s avionics.</strong>
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		<title>By: dm</title>
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		<dc:creator>dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puhlease! You seriously call that hack-airplane part of an air force?!? And their missiles you are referring to; if they try to hit Israel with those missiles, they may well start a war with Jordan, because they will never make it to Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puhlease! You seriously call that hack-airplane part of an air force?!? And their missiles you are referring to; if they try to hit Israel with those missiles, they may well start a war with Jordan, because they will never make it to Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; The Idiocy Of Ron Paul Earns Him The Rubber Chicken Award</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; The Idiocy Of Ron Paul Earns Him The Rubber Chicken Award</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] van der Galien, from the PoliGazette: How anyone can pretend that Iran doesn’t have an army, etc. is beyond me. People seem to forget [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wake up America-</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wake up America-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Idiocy Of Ron Paul Earns Him The Rubber Chicke...&lt;/strong&gt;

I would answer Michael by saying that I don&#039;t think he is pretending, I think he actually IS that stupid and simply didn&#039;t know Iran had an Army, Navy and Air Force as his comments prove without a doubt....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Idiocy Of Ron Paul Earns Him The Rubber Chicke&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I would answer Michael by saying that I don&#8217;t think he is pretending, I think he actually IS that stupid and simply didn&#8217;t know Iran had an Army, Navy and Air Force as his comments prove without a doubt&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: wj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran can be a regional superpower, even if it is not one of the regional hyperpowers (i.e. Israel and Turkey).  Compared to most of the other nations in the area, it&#039;s military is both large and powerful.  But regardless, the actual relevant question is more like: would an Iran with nuclear weapons of its own decide that it could make a successful preemptive strike that would take out Israel?  

From the grasp on reality previously shown by Iran&#039;s current President, it does not seem beyond the bounds of probability.  I think that events would prove them to be wrong.  But any country&#039;s actions are based on what they believe, rather than on what is actually true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran can be a regional superpower, even if it is not one of the regional hyperpowers (i.e. Israel and Turkey).  Compared to most of the other nations in the area, it&#8217;s military is both large and powerful.  But regardless, the actual relevant question is more like: would an Iran with nuclear weapons of its own decide that it could make a successful preemptive strike that would take out Israel?  </p>
<p>From the grasp on reality previously shown by Iran&#8217;s current President, it does not seem beyond the bounds of probability.  I think that events would prove them to be wrong.  But any country&#8217;s actions are based on what they believe, rather than on what is actually true.</p>
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		<title>By: sashal</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rudy at # 8.
Not everybody on this blog is singing the same tune.
 Not everybody here also sees Iran as a threat to USA or Israel, or at least we can see that this threat is greatly exaggerated.
But the personal insults should not be used on this blog.
Michael is an  ardent supporter of a freedom for  all of us have our own opinions and discuss it on his own blog.  If you do not know, that is actually classical  liberal position.

The lies and exaggerations  of the fear mongering   sites like Allhpundit are well known to many. 
I also know that Michael sees Iran as a great military threat ( which Iran is not ), but none of us ( me included)  ever resorts to the insults to the owner of this blog, ever... 

Just one ridiculous fallacy from Russert interview:-&gt;
He said about Iran invading Israel ( to which Paul said about invading Mars ).
To do that Iranian troops have to march through a few Arab countries first, or they have to have unprecedented navy.
It is just like talking about Italy invading Russia ( do they have to go through some of the European countries first , at least, unhindered.)  There are may be a few suiciders or kamikazes around, but never ever the suicide wishes should be attributed to the sovereign nations as a whole ,even with half-assed rational policies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rudy at # 8.<br />
Not everybody on this blog is singing the same tune.<br />
 Not everybody here also sees Iran as a threat to USA or Israel, or at least we can see that this threat is greatly exaggerated.<br />
But the personal insults should not be used on this blog.<br />
Michael is an  ardent supporter of a freedom for  all of us have our own opinions and discuss it on his own blog.  If you do not know, that is actually classical  liberal position.</p>
<p>The lies and exaggerations  of the fear mongering   sites like Allhpundit are well known to many. <br />
I also know that Michael sees Iran as a great military threat ( which Iran is not ), but none of us ( me included)  ever resorts to the insults to the owner of this blog, ever&#8230; </p>
<p>Just one ridiculous fallacy from Russert interview:-&gt;<br />
He said about Iran invading Israel ( to which Paul said about invading Mars ).<br />
To do that Iranian troops have to march through a few Arab countries first, or they have to have unprecedented navy.<br />
It is just like talking about Italy invading Russia ( do they have to go through some of the European countries first , at least, unhindered.)  There are may be a few suiciders or kamikazes around, but never ever the suicide wishes should be attributed to the sovereign nations as a whole ,even with half-assed rational policies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael. This is a poor attempt to persuade, and you should really take this opportunity to look at the lapse of mental discipline that birthed this offering.

Iran has an army, but of course Dr. Paul&#039;s point was not to literally  suggested otherwise. His point was that Iran was in no position to wage an offensive war against Israel, and your veracity-challenged eminations fail to even challenge his assertions. 

Reading your assertions is a great way to polish up on old college logic and debate skills - you regularly run the whole fallacious playbook. In case you&#039;re wondering which classical fallacy you&#039;ve employed here, my young student friend, it&#039;s called the straw man. That would be when you misrepresent your opponent or subject&#039;s position so that you might more easily refute your own characterization of the opponents position rather than his actual position.

You must have the ability to read the context of a discussion rather than seizing on a phrase taken out of context - unless intellectual honesty is something you&#039;re purposefully eschewing. The assertion that Iran had no army is clearly hyperbole, and is qualified by noting that Israel has 300 nuclear weapons. In light of that little fact nugget, whatever it is that Iran has (revolutionary guard or whatever else that you&#039;d characterize as an army) isn&#039;t a match for the Israelis. 

Michael..... you seem like you are reasonably bright, though you&#039;ve got some intellectual growth that must happen before people should find your opinions worth serious consideration. It might help to look at your own positions critically and make certain you haven&#039;t employed any of the bottom-shelf, easy to spot fallacies for starters. It might you feel like you scored a point, and might get some of your dim readers to say &quot;way to go&quot;, but it will only hurt you among thinking people and stymie your grasp fro credibility. If you must include a logical fallacy, don&#039;t quotes sources like &#039;Allahpundit&#039; when you are employing the &#039;appeal to authority&#039; tactic. Using the device in itself weakens your argument, but the authority you cite doesn&#039;t do you any favors. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael. This is a poor attempt to persuade, and you should really take this opportunity to look at the lapse of mental discipline that birthed this offering.</p>
<p>Iran has an army, but of course Dr. Paul&#8217;s point was not to literally  suggested otherwise. His point was that Iran was in no position to wage an offensive war against Israel, and your veracity-challenged eminations fail to even challenge his assertions. </p>
<p>Reading your assertions is a great way to polish up on old college logic and debate skills &#8211; you regularly run the whole fallacious playbook. In case you&#8217;re wondering which classical fallacy you&#8217;ve employed here, my young student friend, it&#8217;s called the straw man. That would be when you misrepresent your opponent or subject&#8217;s position so that you might more easily refute your own characterization of the opponents position rather than his actual position.</p>
<p>You must have the ability to read the context of a discussion rather than seizing on a phrase taken out of context &#8211; unless intellectual honesty is something you&#8217;re purposefully eschewing. The assertion that Iran had no army is clearly hyperbole, and is qualified by noting that Israel has 300 nuclear weapons. In light of that little fact nugget, whatever it is that Iran has (revolutionary guard or whatever else that you&#8217;d characterize as an army) isn&#8217;t a match for the Israelis. </p>
<p>Michael&#8230;.. you seem like you are reasonably bright, though you&#8217;ve got some intellectual growth that must happen before people should find your opinions worth serious consideration. It might help to look at your own positions critically and make certain you haven&#8217;t employed any of the bottom-shelf, easy to spot fallacies for starters. It might you feel like you scored a point, and might get some of your dim readers to say &quot;way to go&quot;, but it will only hurt you among thinking people and stymie your grasp fro credibility. If you must include a logical fallacy, don&#8217;t quotes sources like &#8216;Allahpundit&#8217; when you are employing the &#8217;appeal to authority&#8217; tactic. Using the device in itself weakens your argument, but the authority you cite doesn&#8217;t do you any favors. </p>
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