Fox Stands by Decision to Ban Ron Paul
Fox doesn’t give in to the pressure: the conservative news network isn’t willing to let Ron Paul participate in the forum (read: debate) it will organize shortly before the primary of New Hampshire.
The AP reports that “[t]he network said it had limited space in its studio — a souped-up bus — and that it invited candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls.”
The problem for Fox is, however, that Paul isn’t doing much worse than Thompson. In fact, he’s polling better than Thompson in the latest NH poll. In fact, he has almost overtaken Giuliani (only 2% less). Now, if you keep in mind that it’s likely that quite some of those who’ll vote for Paul in the Republican primary aren’t considered “likely Republican caucus goers” / polled, chances are that he’ll do (somewhat) better.
And Thompson? Thompson has only 3% support in this latest poll.
But there’s more: Paul has raised more money in the fourth quarter than most of the other Republicans. That should play a role as well, shouldn’t it?
Fox has no excuse, no good reason to ban Paul. Lord knows I criticize the Congressman and his supporters often enough, but he shouldn’t be silenced simply because some people (in powerful positions) don’t like his message (which seems to be the real reason why he wasn’t invited).
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utter b.s.
"…and that it invited candidates who had received double-digit support in recent polls"
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel for Fox News. I mean how absolutely stupid do they think their viewers are? Do they really think their audience is made up of only Hannity Clones?
RIP Fox News
Fox is going to be embarrassed when Ron Paul finishes in the top tier in Iowa. The little "debate" they plan to have on the Sunday after the Iowa caucus will be really be a roundtable discussion featuring the losers. Fox is a loser. Fox is becoming more and more irrelevant. I stopped watching them six months ago when I finally rid my house of the idiot box (television).
Fox News share holders, your inaction on this matter will be taken into account and long remembered.
I’m making a list and checking it twice.
investor@newscorp.com
FOX News is the biggest hypocrite in broadcast journalism today. Aside from the fact that their people are either smug idiots (O’Reilly, Hannity, Cavuto, Smith) or pretty dumb blonds, they now have openly entered into censorship by excluding the hottest republican of the lot, Ron Paul. Pathetic.
Hello and Happy New Year, Michael!
As a Ron Paul supporter, I am GLAD that Fox News (sic) decided to exclude Paul from their candidates’ forum. This completely unjustified action will only serve to emphasize and epitomize their rampant bias and media blacklisting of this candidate, and expose for what they really are: the corrupt, bought-and-paid propaganda arm of the Bush administration and the neocon movement that Americans will reject in droves this coming November.
I mean seriously, does ANYONE of any intelligence watch and believe the pro-war, pro-status quo, lowbrow infotainment spewed by Fox "News"? (not that CNN, MSNBC, et al are much better). Should I even waste my metaphorical breath by stating that they are a complete joke as a disseminator of news?
Wait I thought Fair and Balanced.
@eddy: no news will be balanced, because everyone has some bias.
@alan: that is a load of bs
Whose Poll? Faux’s Polls? Isn’t it funny that, if you line all the polls up side-by-side, Ron Paul’s lowest polling numbers are ALWAYS in the Faux Nuze polls? Why do you suppose that is? When Paul is polling near 10% nationally, in every other poll, the Faux Nuze polls have him behind Alan Keyes (nothing against my brother, Alan, but get real) at 2%. How does Faux Nuze expect to maintain ANY credibility after this election cycle? Are they just counting on the mass stupidity and short attention spans of the average TV "news" consumers?
Styx, You are correct: Fox News (sic) is indeed "a load of BS". Glad you see the truth.
What kind of funky network is FOX anyway?
Using a converted BUS for a studio!???
Don’t they have an affiliate in the area with a proper studio to hold all the candidates?
Get a room somewhere.
"How does Faux Nuze expect to maintain ANY credibility after this election cycle? Are they just counting on the mass stupidity and short attention spans of the average TV "news" consumer?
Sadly, probably exactly that. As Mark Twain (or was it P.T. Barnum?) once said: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average American."
Obviously Fox is trying to mainpulate the election and the voters.
They have no way to respond to the fact that Thompson is in the debate and Ron Paul is out. If they want to be truly fair and balanced they either have to allow Ron Paul in or kick out Thompson.
You also forgot to mention that Ron Paul has won every post-debate poll that was sponsored by Fox News.
Hello, Faux nonews is evil and will revert too anything too keep power but the REVOLUTION and TRUTH RON PAUL will WIN in end !!!!! Thanks Peace Out
I think it is great that they don’t include Paul. Ron Paul will do very well in both Iowa and NH. Fox news is unbelievably biased, they are losing credibility as a news agency and this latest decision simply confirms their decline. The times, they are a changin’! Go New Media. Go Ron Paul.
This is the email I sent to all the Fox news people from the protest Fox webpage some Ron Paul fans set up. Faux News is OVER. They are just a political speaker box that cannot and should not be trusted to report news.
Dear Fox News,
Fox News (Faux News) showed their true colors once again. I have now made it a steadfast goal to withdraw all funds invested in every stock, company or fund that has any affiliation with FOX. Of course this will not hurt your mega monopoly over information. You cannot stop what is happening here. No matter how hard you try, no matter how aggressive you are. The truth presses on in the hearts of all free men and women. FOX news, this will surely destroy your already tarnished credibility. Your channel is merely a speaker box for the Bush administrations regime, just as Goebbels was the speaker for Hitler. You spin the news, tell the lies and focus on everything un-important. I thank you for this however. You have given more fuel to an already raging fire of passion among the freedom loving Ron Paul supporters. We are now motivated more than ever to spread this message of which you are so desperately afraid. Our image and message is being vindicated by your obvious bias and overt censorship of truth. You can silence Ron Paul, but you will never silence his message. The message of liberty, freedom, and justice lives on and will live on Por Aeternum in the hearts and minds of all who come after us. This movement is a change in the seasons of America. We have chosen to throw off the yoke of tyranny and oppression brought on to us by the corporate elites and the military industrial complex. We have chosen our path and it is freedom NOT slavery. You cannot have our dollars, our time, our land or our lives. You are a mere pox on this nation, a laughing stock of what free press really is.
Tomorrow, myself and others will be selling our shares of News Corp (NWS). That should account for quite a few shares. Dump NWS traders!
Deport Murdoch!
Faux News, propagandist for the neocons, has never had much credibility, but to invite Thompson instead of Ron Paul is just blatantly manipulative.
Hopefully, this will give Ron Paul and his supporters a chance to show the world exactly how powerful the R3VOLUTION has become.
I think this is great news for Ron Paul. All of the other networks can carry the NH Liberty Forum with Ron Paul, John Stossel and other real Americans devoted to Constitutional Government and ending corruption. Ron will the entire hour to lay down his plan after he wins the nomination and he will not need Rudy, Fred, McCain or any of others budding in. They are going to be called the FOX Sore Loser Club after Iowa and so they better use the time to decide which of them are going to drop out so the others will have a fighting chance against the R3volution in the general election that will be flushed with cash lean with grass roots doing the foot work.
Murdoch should be ashamed … he should also be outed for their pitiful treatment of Chinese myspace users, who were banned from the U.S. MySpace system.
His wife oversees the MySpace China effort. Did Fox news cover that story?
I hope Ron Paul shuns these hypocrits when they call for an interview! And when he is inaugurated, they’ll understand why they have no access.
New years resolution – I’m FOX FREE!Thanks to Parental Control technology our home is fox-free! Wow talk about being liberated. Glad to have that neocon monkey off my back!
To Fox News:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
Ron Paul 2008!
I am done with Fox News. No longer will I watch them on TV or on the Internet. I would watch Fox News every day for my News. NO MORE. Me and my family will be Fox Free and Ill have my friends boycott Fox also. Fox will Fall!
Here’s the problem with the polls. I haven’t voted for a Republican in 20 years. I haven’t voted in a primary in 20 years. So I’m certainly not on their "likely to vote" list, but I changed my voter registration to Republican last week so I can vote for Ron Paul. I’m not only voting this time, it can be 40 degress below and driving snow on election day, and I’ll be out there waving my Ron Paul sign!
Fox News = the Facist News Network
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
I’m going to visit my local Fox affiliate, in person, and tell them if they air the political forum without giving equal time to the candidates, I will personally go after their FCC license when they go up for renewal.
You mean all those Ron Paul kooks were actually RIGHT about the media showing a bias against their candidate? Wow, just wow….
I think maybe I’m starting to see what they’ve been talking about all this time.
Ok, folks, it is time to take off the gloves. Go hit every single Fox news advertisers as hard as you can. I don’t care if you have to eat ketchup sandwiches for a year, nothing, absolutely nothing advertised by Fox shall cross my threshold. And Fox, I hope you like full voicemail inboxes every day and lots and lots of faxes. How much does toner cost? Enjoy the deluge.
Shame on Fox News. They are unfair and unbalanced!
Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise for Ron Paul. Fox News has a way to twist the words of Ron Paul. I quit watching Fox Neocon Propaganda Station 3 months ago.
Every time I read another article about the media bias against Ron Paul, I send his campaign a donation.
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/
I’ll be filing for bankruptcy soon.
Well FOX News has finally got the control its been after. Just their approved candidates and no voters present. The voters don’t even get to sit in the back of the bus.
"Biased media – From FOX to Fascism"
Below are the stocks that need to be sold short — News Corp.
"Holders of Fox Class A shares will receive 1.90 shares of News Corp. Class A shares, representing a premium of about 7.4 percent over Fox’s closing price Friday of $31.22 on the New York Stock Exchange (search).News Corp., which was recently reincorporated in the United States, currently holds about 82 percent of the equity and 97 percent of the voting power of Fox."
This realy demonstrates to me that Fox news is anti-constitution, and therefore anti-American, Fox is also anti-conservative and anti-Republican, how on earth would you let moderate democrats and flip flopping opportunists likes Romney,McCain and Giuliani participate and the only true and actual conservative Republican, Paul, is left out. Fox and CNN are not much different I guess, they both oppose true conservatism. I am a black Republican voter who will be voting for Paul by the way, and I will be turning off the Fox from now on. It blows my mind to find out how dead set Fox is against the idea of being fair and balanced.
I’m glad they have excluded Dr Ron Paul. It shows what a gang of corrupt faux journalists they are. Murdoch is a scumbag who will eventually be unmasked. The death of the mainstream media is imminent.
Welcome to the true America kiddies !!!!
Ron Paul ‘08
Yeah, Martyr Ron Paul. Great Idea, Fox.
The death of television, at the hands of the internet, cannot come too soon. The more bias becomes obvious, the more idiot boxes appear at the curb on trash day. Thank you, sincerely, FAUX NEWS, for hastening your our demise.
I think I have an idea for a bumpersticker:
Oxymoron: Fox News
Fox is the most biased media. They should be banned because Fox is fox. I been listening to the presidential campaigns organized by Fox and the just suck, instead of being the moderator, they are trying to drive the campaign according to their will. Fox has a huge role in the current wars and in the upcomming wars as well. They are EVIL.
Talking of polls, in Dearborn, Michigan, Ron Paul received 89% of the votes. Here’s the link if someone is interested. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21209617
Best regards,
Ron Paul is the only hope to save America and rest of the world from the EVILS of wars and the Fox.
Fellow Paulites!!!Dump News Corps Stock! Long Live Ron Paul!!!This is only going to strengthen the Message!!! Live Free or Die New Hampshire!!!!Vote Ron Paul!!!!I’m Caucusing in Hawaii for Ron Paul!!!
FOX news the great shepherd of the sheeple.
Saint Anselm had their own Mock Primary and students voted for Ron Paul five times more than Thompson. Ask the students and faculty what they think of Fox’s decision…
http://www.anselm.edu/Ask+Saint+Anselm.htm
I’m afraid this is the good ol USA now, run by idiots drunk with power. A lot of powerful people would be sent packing if DR. Paul became President. For that reason I fear for him. I served in the US Navy back in early ’70s and can see the difference time has done. I am ashamed.
If the other candidates had an ounce of integrity they would refuse to participate in this debate simply on principle. Of course, no one is even asking the other candidates their opinion on this matter. This incident should show that Fox has no credibility as a news sourse, but it sould also call into question the credibility of the other candidates. I applaud all those selling their stocks which everyone should do whether a RP supporter or not, Murdoch’s Fox News should be handed a message from the people that mettling in the election process in this way will not be tolerated. Election officials need to be held equally responsible on this issue now as well, and not allow this practice to continue.
I thought Fox was "Fair and Balanced". Way to show your true colors. Fox should put one of there dumb blondes on the air to explain the situation. Then I may be able to understand. This is exactly why I support Ron Paul. He does not and has not catered to big corps. The small bus excuse does not fly. They are a billion dollor company and they cannot afford to get a large room to hold all the candidates. Ron Paul has money, maybe they can borrow some. I have removed the Fox channels from my Tivo. Goodbye Fox News.
This and the Lockheed Martin commercial is the last straw for Foxes credibility. Thy now have zero.
No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood. Keep spreading the word, regardless of whether RP makes the debate he will make a showing
See you at the polls!
Would anyone like another tasty spoonful of cow manure from the mainstream/establishment? Aww, come on, it’s much better for you than the steak they’re feeding over on the Ron Paul side! You’ve had this stuff for years, and look, you still have air conditioning and college football! What’s another third of your income to keep you safe? Give us your guns! Those foreign troops in your driveway won’t hurt you! More cow manure, you haven’t eaten nearly enough.
http://poligazette.com/2008/01/01/fox-stands-by-decision-to-ban-ron-paul/
$19.5 million in fundraising in the last quarter is formidable and respectable. I don’t understand why we cut candidates out of debates BEFORE Iowa/NH.
I was not happy when they cut Gravel/Kucinich. But do we see a pattern here? All anti-war candidates. Right or wrong, they have the right to their opinion. The media today are diversified comglomerates. They all have financial interests (oil/weapons industry) that make war policy beneficial to them.
I believe that people that are indifferent or anti-Gravel, Kucinich, and especially Ron Paul, should be outraged based on principles stated by Voltaire.
I will make my comments regarding the polls post-Iowa/NH.
Fox has the air time to give us Anna Nicole coverage without commercial interuption. Maybe Ron needs a blond wig and a boob job to get Fox’s attention.
Fix News’(Misspelling intentional) arrogance in this matter is evidence of their utter contempt for the American people.
They will be the first to fall when this revolution truly takes hold. Ron Paul’s movement is only a minute section of what is coming.
Fox’s days are numbered as are the other institutions that have been deluding the people.
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Ah, Ron Paul. The candidate of choice for people who can’t speak (type?) proper English.
Did somebody blow one of those whistles that only conspiracy nuts can hear?
Hey! I don’t support Ron Paul!
So what’s the big surprise here, Ron Paul types? You KNEW that Fox isn’t conservative, it’s CORPORATE. There’s a BIG difference between the two.
A viable Ron Paul candidacy would put the lie to everything that the Roger Alies machine has been spouting for eight years. What a concept…TRUE Republicanism returns after being dead and buried since 1932.
Naw, can’t happen. Fox will protect us from it.
America likes to think itself as a shining example of democracy for the world to follow, well what a joke! Your vote counting (and polling) is a charade marked only by devious sophistication compared to other banana republics. At least this move by Fox to suppress a leading candidate should open a few eyes as to how your presidents get chosen for you from a two party political system charade that only allows the CFR anointed. The sooner you guys realize exAustralian Rupert Murdoch is a traitor who actively interferes in the political process in support of the ruling elite, the sooner his media licenses’ can be turned over for real journalists who can actually do fair and balanced reporting.
Point of clarification for those who might not know the tin-foil hat code: The CFR refers to the Council on Foreign Relations, a loose association of academics and former policymakers that (gasp!) holds conferences where they present speeches that no one remembers and papers that few ever read.
For some reason, there is a significant group of conspiracy theorists out there that think the CFR is a cabal that controls American politics. I wish it were so, because then maybe my membership in the American Political Science Association or the International Studies Association might also carry some massive secret political power too….
The irony of a person claiming to want to act for freedom by stripping media licenses from people they disagree with is rather amusing too. More evidence of the true crocodile spirit that lies beneath the Ron Paul passion…
Just don’t mention the Bilderberg group Jason…..
Jason,
You have managed yet again to cast more scurrilous, sweeping insults and angry invective toward the Ron Paul camp with your above post.
I was going to respond at length, point-by-point, taking you to task for your angry, uncivil and (yet again) ad hominem attack. But that would be a waste to time. Your seething anger toward Ron Paul clearly has no balm.
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Jason Steck you would do well to properly research the CFR, its founding and influence if you care at all about the nation state of the America for it is their policy to merge you with the NAU on the road to the NWO. Maybe you’d like that, but be aware just what that will mean.
I don’t know if the American Political Science Association or the International Studies Association also publish this as their goal.
There’s no irony in media licenses being stripped from Mudoch if he is found by the FCC to be "Not acting in the public interest". Regardless of your personal preducies I suggest if you care at all about your country that you file a "FCC Public File" on the failure to meet the FCC "Equal time rule".
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Time to wake up folks.
More translation of the conspiracy-speak:
NAU: North American Union — purported to be the real purpose of the North American Free Trade Agreement, conspiracy theorists contend that it is even as we speak undermining American sovereignty and giving control over to Mexico.
NWO: New World Order — purported to be the end-state sought by the conspiracies where the United States has no sovereignty over its own territory and is instead occupied and controlled by some other powers, variously the United Nations or the Bilderbergs. Where these entities will obtain armies sufficient to take over and control the United States is, of course, left unexplained.
The idea that the CFR openly states its intention to force the United States to merge with the NAU and/or the NWO is a bit strange since the CFR was founded long before either NAFTA’s creation or the entry of the “new world order” into post-Cold War rhetoric. I suppose the aliens were involved, what with their time-travel technology and all that.
Care to tell us about Da Jews, Lou? Or did you already do that with the “founding and influence” implications about the CFR?
I also remain intrigued about how those who supposedly detest government power want to use the FCC to manage and control political debate in "the public interest". LOL
(P.S. Lou, the FCC and the “public interest” standard is based on the claim that the broadcast spectrum is too narrow to allow any and all entrants and therefore the government is needed to regulate access in the “public interest”. Since FoxNews is a cable channel, it lies outside of the “public interest” standard AND its underlying rationale. Media ownership rules also do not apply to cable programming. I suggest YOU get educated before telling me to.
)
You’re not fooling ME, Jason. I can tell you’re just trying to obscure your true Illuminati agenda!
Jason,
Thanks for a futher heaping helping of contempt. It is clear that you are not very willing, or able, to engage in serious debate and exchange, but would rather broadside those with whom you disagree with ad hominem attacks, strawman arguments, and sweeping and insulting generalizations. I have found it useful and intellectually worthwhile to visit the PoliGazette site, but your nasty and demeaning attacks towards me and others disincline me from visiting much more.
Alan, That may seem clear to YOU, but what seems clear to ME is that Paul supporters perceive ANY disagreement or criticism as an "attack" and use that as an excuse to refuse to respond to it. Unlike where you explicitly attacked my personal integrity for having disagreed with Paul in a way you don’t like, I have not once attacked you personally. All I have done is criticized and condemned Paul and his movement — no matter how many times you repeat the false charge, that is NOT the same as attacking you or anyone else personally.
Anyway, evasion is clearly your right. Unlike you, I won’t try to question your honesty or integrity for your embrace of what is clearly a strategic choice to claim "attack" as a convenient excuse to avoid defending the many indefensible positions of the Ron Paul campaign and the many indefensible behaviors of its legions of acolytes repeatedly Google-ing his name in their effort to be instantly on the spot to highlight any positive mention of his name and flame any negative one.
As for your threat to abandon the site, that is also your option to do so. If the dissent, however angry or objectionable, of ONE PERSON is sufficient to "disincline" you from defending Paul’s "movement" in detail or even to remain present, then that does not say much for the strength of your political position.
Part of being a serious political "movement" is having the capacity to deal with dissent — even vitriolic dissent — with more than mere complaining or repetition of empty talking points. The Paul supporters are thus far failing the test of dealing with disagreement rather badly.
I’m not claiming that I don’t have “contempt” for the Paul issue slate or the behavior of his “movement”. I am saying that “contempt” for the issue positions and the movement does NOT equate to ad hominum attack against each of its individual members any more than the Paul supporters often-expressed contempt about “neocons” (about which I have not once seen you object, Alan) constitutes a personal attack on any individual neoconservative who might happen to wander through.
I am glad that some people are finally seeing the hidden agenda of this network. This is not a network news, this another puppet of the people in power to manipulate people. People in power get together with the media and the evangelists to come up with a propaganda agenda to be able to manipulate people. Democrats and Republican they are all the same. Ron Paul is the only one that can save this country and the only honest man running with a record in the congress to back him up.
Vote Ron Paul 08!!
admin: try expressing your support without accusing everyone else of being on illegal drugs — that kind of snark can actually hurt real people’s lives
Jason, the modern New World Order was organized in Britain by a bunch of loonies who read too many long poems without appreciating anything between the lines nor the responsibility that went with the message. Your focus on the Jews is comical.
Its not MY focus, Julius. I’m not the one spewing out conspiracy theories about the Federal Reserve, the CFR, and the Bilderbergs. When you look into their history, ALL of those conspiracy theories arise out of a broader discourse about "Jews".
Does Fox organization ban Ron P. with a hidden purpose? we don’t know, but when Fox decided that including Ron in the debate is a waste of time is the biggest insult to hundreds of thousand or maybe even millions of people out there including students, poor individuals who don’t think a waste of money when they donate and provide support to Ron. Civil right organizations, congressmen/women, and senators in both parties should now raise their voices to protest Fox if they value our democracy and see the relevance in this. What does Fox think of themselves, a media organization to reflect the will of people out there or a powerhouse with hidden purposes?. I want people across the country step back and think…. You don’t have to watch Fox news or movies b/c you still have other choices. You could have called your representatives in your district to force them to reflect your voice… instead of being angry doing nothing. To me, it’s a biggest violation of our civil right from a media organization. I myself don’t support Ron, but I’m angry when seeing a media organization violate other people’s opinion. Whoever in Fox made a such decision should be criticized more and more, or even fired. People should react more fiercely and stronger to keep all media in track, remind them of their proper role in promoting our democracy Kevin
Fox is the best source of TV News. Are they perfect, do I agree with everything all the time Nooooo. But they are still the best and do a great service to the people. Hannity Clone ? Yes Sir I agree with most of the things he says. He’s in his right mind. Get your garbage mouth on the set with him and debate. He will cut through your twisted B.S. with ease.