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		<title>By: Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/13/barack-hypocrite-obama-and-fake-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-65793</link>
		<dc:creator>Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that because we have a woman and a black man running for office people are bound to be looking for the race or gender thing to come up. Let&#039;s face it elections are always fraught with mud slinging and character decimation, we are just more sensitive to it this time because of who&#039;s running the race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that because we have a woman and a black man running for office people are bound to be looking for the race or gender thing to come up. Let&#8217;s face it elections are always fraught with mud slinging and character decimation, we are just more sensitive to it this time because of who&#8217;s running the race.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, c&#039;mon, Pro-Obama admin! You could at least take out the comment spam at #16 as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, c&#8217;mon, Pro-Obama admin! You could at least take out the comment spam at #16 as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Pro-Obama admin says: INSTABAN&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pro-Obama admin says: INSTABAN</i></p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/13/barack-hypocrite-obama-and-fake-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-16973</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t see how Obama&#039;s campaign can avoid playing the &quot;race card&quot; completely when Hillary surrogates (I admit, not coming directly from her campaign) keep making comments like &quot;shucking and jiving&quot;. Comments that would end a Republican politician&#039;s career, I might add- but since they&#039;re coming from Democrats there are many people who are willing to actually believe that there wasn&#039;t any race baiting involved in those comments.

How do you expect Obama supporters to respond to that? Why should he get all the criticism for interjecting race, when most of it is coming from the other side? If there were a bunch of gender related comments coming from Obama supporters, wouldn&#039;t it be expected that there&#039;d be some response to that from the Hillary camp? Yet Obama is supposed to ignore it or else he&#039;ll be accused of being the race baiter himself. I&#039;m not an Obama supporter but objectively I can see that&#039;s patently ridiculous.

And no, I&#039;m not saying that Hillary and/or her supporters are racist (I don&#039;t think anyone thinks that.) The question is, are some of her supporters purposely bringing up racial biases in order to try to use Obama&#039;s race against him (by planting seeds of doubt, that the electorate will accept him.) The idea is you don&#039;t have to be a racist yourself to use race against your opponent- you only have to believe that there is a block of racist voters you can exploit, or even convince your party&#039;s voters to believe that there are enough racist voters in the other party that would stop a black man from being electable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t see how Obama&#8217;s campaign can avoid playing the &quot;race card&quot; completely when Hillary surrogates (I admit, not coming directly from her campaign) keep making comments like &quot;shucking and jiving&quot;. Comments that would end a Republican politician&#8217;s career, I might add- but since they&#8217;re coming from Democrats there are many people who are willing to actually believe that there wasn&#8217;t any race baiting involved in those comments.</p>
<p>How do you expect Obama supporters to respond to that? Why should he get all the criticism for interjecting race, when most of it is coming from the other side? If there were a bunch of gender related comments coming from Obama supporters, wouldn&#8217;t it be expected that there&#8217;d be some response to that from the Hillary camp? Yet Obama is supposed to ignore it or else he&#8217;ll be accused of being the race baiter himself. I&#8217;m not an Obama supporter but objectively I can see that&#8217;s patently ridiculous.</p>
<p>And no, I&#8217;m not saying that Hillary and/or her supporters are racist (I don&#8217;t think anyone thinks that.) The question is, are some of her supporters purposely bringing up racial biases in order to try to use Obama&#8217;s race against him (by planting seeds of doubt, that the electorate will accept him.) The idea is you don&#8217;t have to be a racist yourself to use race against your opponent- you only have to believe that there is a block of racist voters you can exploit, or even convince your party&#8217;s voters to believe that there are enough racist voters in the other party that would stop a black man from being electable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To state the obvious, one can &quot;play the race card&quot; without race-baiting. Indeed, it&#039;s tough for a black candidate &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to play the race card to some extent--Obama can&#039;t turn the electorate color-blind, but he&#039;s done a bang-up job so far of not going negative. In fact, that&#039;s essentially been his entire primary strategy to date. Stay positive, offer fuzzy feel-good platitudes, and let all the other candidates do the tearing down amongst themselves to his benefit. After a decade of nasty bickering and partisan histrionics, it was a sound choice. 

But the honeymoon is ending, and he&#039;s going to end up in the mud, including on ethnic issues, whether he wants to be or not. In Nevada, for example, both candidates have to appeal to the Hispanic vote to carry the state in the caucuses, which is why we see the fight between the (largely white) teacher&#039;s union and the (largely Hispanic) culinary workers union. And in South Carolina Clinton&#039;s dillema is how to go negative on Obama without completely alienating the black vote, especially the black women&#039;s vote. 

It&#039;s gonna get uglier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To state the obvious, one can &#8220;play the race card&#8221; without race-baiting. Indeed, it&#8217;s tough for a black candidate <i>not</i> to play the race card to some extent&#8211;Obama can&#8217;t turn the electorate color-blind, but he&#8217;s done a bang-up job so far of not going negative. In fact, that&#8217;s essentially been his entire primary strategy to date. Stay positive, offer fuzzy feel-good platitudes, and let all the other candidates do the tearing down amongst themselves to his benefit. After a decade of nasty bickering and partisan histrionics, it was a sound choice. </p>
<p>But the honeymoon is ending, and he&#8217;s going to end up in the mud, including on ethnic issues, whether he wants to be or not. In Nevada, for example, both candidates have to appeal to the Hispanic vote to carry the state in the caucuses, which is why we see the fight between the (largely white) teacher&#8217;s union and the (largely Hispanic) culinary workers union. And in South Carolina Clinton&#8217;s dillema is how to go negative on Obama without completely alienating the black vote, especially the black women&#8217;s vote. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s gonna get uglier.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh don&#039;t get me wrong Michael, I find the tactic repugnant, no matter who does it. I was simply asking if there was evidence that the Obama camp instigated the allegations themselves, which would be worse still. I do indeed find it disappointing that Obama refused to call out the people accusing the Clinton camp of racism, especially with the whole ridiculous &quot;fairy tale&quot; flap. By not rising above the fray he puts himself under suspicion of instigating the whole affair (though again, I&#039;ll wait for evidence of this) and hurts his image of positive campaigning.
 I also suspect it won&#039;t help his campaign one bit, since I feel people get really sick really fast of false outrage. If you&#039;re complaining about comments like &quot;hip black friend&quot; or  &quot;castratos in the eunuch chorus&quot; fine, but if you&#039;re complaining that calling someones career a &quot;fairy tale&quot; is racist or someone being tough on you in a debate is sexist, then you&#039;re likely to find people a lot more likely to roll their eyes than change their vote.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh don&#8217;t get me wrong Michael, I find the tactic repugnant, no matter who does it. I was simply asking if there was evidence that the Obama camp instigated the allegations themselves, which would be worse still. I do indeed find it disappointing that Obama refused to call out the people accusing the Clinton camp of racism, especially with the whole ridiculous &quot;fairy tale&quot; flap. By not rising above the fray he puts himself under suspicion of instigating the whole affair (though again, I&#8217;ll wait for evidence of this) and hurts his image of positive campaigning.<br />
 I also suspect it won&#8217;t help his campaign one bit, since I feel people get really sick really fast of false outrage. If you&#8217;re complaining about comments like &quot;hip black friend&quot; or  &quot;castratos in the eunuch chorus&quot; fine, but if you&#8217;re complaining that calling someones career a &quot;fairy tale&quot; is racist or someone being tough on you in a debate is sexist, then you&#8217;re likely to find people a lot more likely to roll their eyes than change their vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi666</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - read the analysis of the church memo. Using lies to imply racism and race-baiting is truly ugly. My point is that like the McCain push-poll the Clinton&#039;s aren&#039;t condemning this attack. When BillyBoy was President he visited many black churches, some just as controversial(but not racist). It&#039;s the level of hypocracy of the Clinton&#039;s that is the problem.

From FactCheck:
&lt;blockquote&gt;We turn first to the most recent of these Internet whispering campaigns: a widely forwarded e-mail that says Barack Obama’s church, the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, is anti-American, will only accept black parishioners and tilts toward Africa at the expense of the United States. The e-mail claims Obama is therefore &quot;&lt;strong&gt;certainly a racist&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; and &quot;desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa.&quot;
 
 We&#039;ve had scores of queries about the accuracy of this one. It&#039;s bunk. For one thing, the church welcomes whites, according to a University of Chicago professor of divinity who says he has attended. And while its controversial pastor is a fiery advocate for blacks and liberal causes and a fierce critic of anti-black discrimination, we&#039;ve seen no evidence that he preaches hatred of or discrimination against whites.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;The finger print comment should have included a snark warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; read the analysis of the church memo. Using lies to imply racism and race-baiting is truly ugly. My point is that like the McCain push-poll the Clinton&#8217;s aren&#8217;t condemning this attack. When BillyBoy was President he visited many black churches, some just as controversial(but not racist). It&#8217;s the level of hypocracy of the Clinton&#8217;s that is the problem.</p>
<p>From FactCheck:</p>
<blockquote><p>We turn first to the most recent of these Internet whispering campaigns: a widely forwarded e-mail that says Barack Obama’s church, the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, is anti-American, will only accept black parishioners and tilts toward Africa at the expense of the United States. The e-mail claims Obama is therefore &quot;<strong>certainly a racist</strong>&quot; and &quot;desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa.&quot;</p>
<p> We&#8217;ve had scores of queries about the accuracy of this one. It&#8217;s bunk. For one thing, the church welcomes whites, according to a University of Chicago professor of divinity who says he has attended. And while its controversial pastor is a fiery advocate for blacks and liberal causes and a fierce critic of anti-black discrimination, we&#8217;ve seen no evidence that he preaches hatred of or discrimination against whites.
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<p>The finger print comment should have included a snark warning.</p>
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		<title>By: MGM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, why don&#039;t you just wear a Clinton for President t-shirt...  I found your post shrill and unsubstantiated - essentially a bunch of whining about how poorly your candidate of choice is being treated by the media.  Repeated assertions that it must be the work of the Obama campaign doesn&#039;t make it so...

This incident reminds us in the US, what we already know, that you would have to be sub-mental to believe that change starts in Washington.  HRC arguing this point(and using LBJ?!?!) as the point of reference is not racist, but it is ignorant, sloppy oratory and offensive to some Americans.  You argument would be more compelling if it appeared the you understood the history surrounding the civil rights movement. You would also understand why so many found her comments offensive.

  When you open your mouth and say something that is patently absurd and offensive (to whomever and whether you meant it or not) then you shouldn&#039;t look for your opponent to bail you out.  I would  let her wither on the vine - politics is a contact support.  I didn&#039;t see anyone coming to Obama&#039;s rescue after his foreign policy gaffe re: Chavez et. al.  Take your lumps, explain your position and move on - pointing fingers at your opponent and crying about how unfair it is makes you look childish.  Shocker of shockers, your opponent wont rescue you from an ill-advised comment???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, why don&#8217;t you just wear a Clinton for President t-shirt&#8230;  I found your post shrill and unsubstantiated &#8211; essentially a bunch of whining about how poorly your candidate of choice is being treated by the media.  Repeated assertions that it must be the work of the Obama campaign doesn&#8217;t make it so&#8230;</p>
<p>This incident reminds us in the US, what we already know, that you would have to be sub-mental to believe that change starts in Washington.  HRC arguing this point(and using LBJ?!?!) as the point of reference is not racist, but it is ignorant, sloppy oratory and offensive to some Americans.  You argument would be more compelling if it appeared the you understood the history surrounding the civil rights movement. You would also understand why so many found her comments offensive.</p>
<p>  When you open your mouth and say something that is patently absurd and offensive (to whomever and whether you meant it or not) then you shouldn&#8217;t look for your opponent to bail you out.  I would  let her wither on the vine &#8211; politics is a contact support.  I didn&#8217;t see anyone coming to Obama&#8217;s rescue after his foreign policy gaffe re: Chavez et. al.  Take your lumps, explain your position and move on &#8211; pointing fingers at your opponent and crying about how unfair it is makes you look childish.  Shocker of shockers, your opponent wont rescue you from an ill-advised comment???</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi: you can &quot;wonder&quot; whatever you want. My freaking God: perhaps you should find the fingerprints first &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; accuse anyone of being involved. As it is, you should remain silent and stop accusing someone of overt racism.

O, and there&#039;s nothing racist about that e-mail. It&#039;s nasty perhaps, but not racist. Seemingly some Americans have a hard time understanding what racism actually is. And the part about race-baiting well, that&#039;s exactly what Obama and his crew are doing, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi: you can &quot;wonder&quot; whatever you want. My freaking God: perhaps you should find the fingerprints first <em>then</em> accuse anyone of being involved. As it is, you should remain silent and stop accusing someone of overt racism.</p>
<p>O, and there&#8217;s nothing racist about that e-mail. It&#8217;s nasty perhaps, but not racist. Seemingly some Americans have a hard time understanding what racism actually is. And the part about race-baiting well, that&#8217;s exactly what Obama and his crew are doing, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LYnx; and when they ask Obama about it during a conference call he refuses to calm everyone down.

Very sad. 

If he&#039;s such a &#039;uniter&#039; he would use the opportunity to bring people together. Instead he purposefully - and his campaign - let it linger. And yes Lynx, some of those doing this stuff are close to Obama.

There&#039;s no way to deny that he&#039;s accepting it himself and that some close followers and feeding it. 

I know you&#039;re normally very strongly against this kind of tactic, don&#039;t let that attitude change just because you tend to like Obama. Even when you like someone you can call him or her out on a tactic you don&#039;t agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LYnx; and when they ask Obama about it during a conference call he refuses to calm everyone down.</p>
<p>Very sad. </p>
<p>If he&#8217;s such a &#8216;uniter&#8217; he would use the opportunity to bring people together. Instead he purposefully &#8211; and his campaign &#8211; let it linger. And yes Lynx, some of those doing this stuff are close to Obama.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way to deny that he&#8217;s accepting it himself and that some close followers and feeding it. </p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re normally very strongly against this kind of tactic, don&#8217;t let that attitude change just because you tend to like Obama. Even when you like someone you can call him or her out on a tactic you don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
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