A Demopublican Ticket

February 26th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien | Tags:

QCExaminer writes:  “This isn’t the first time I’ve thought the the best POTUS/VPOTUS ticket would be combining people from both parties. The GOP is always stronger on foreign policy/national security issues, and the Dems are stronger on domestic issues.”

A GOPer as POTUS would be preferred, since he/she is the Commander-in-Chief, but the VP would be in charge of domestic policy, with POTUS having final say. This would go a long way in moderating the extreme partisanship we have experienced since the Clinton years.

It would be the best of both worlds, in my view.

 Exactly my point.

It’s obviously not going to happen, but wouldn’t it be a fantastic idea in theory? It would also create a different political culture, climate and debate. Parties would matter less. Now, it’s important to keep in mind that the American system wasn’t designed for parties. Some founding fathers even warned Americans against it.

It would diminish the roles parties play, which could very well be a good thing.

No?

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  1. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 22:53
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    Well, the problem is what is meant by being ’strong’ in those areas. The GOP currently is much more hawkish, but even though I mostly agree with that I wouldn’t want them to be unchecked (again). Same with Dems on domestic issues- they’re strong on those issues if you consider a lot of economic intervention to be strong- but certainly as a conservative I want that to be checked.

  2. Michael van der Galien
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:01
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    But they wouldn’t be unchecked in such a system of course, because it will be impossible to get the administration as a whole to act if people are too much ideologically motivated.

    Yes, I really like the idea. It’s never going to happen, but in theory it sounds quite good, no? To me at least.

    Then again I’m prejudiced.

  3. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:10
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    Actually, the more I think about it, the reason it wouldn’t work is that Constitutionally, the VP has no authority whatsoever (as I understand it.) So just because a VP is seen as being a guy who’s strong on domestic or foreign policy, the POTUS has absolutely no obligation to allow the VP to do anything at all. The only reason that he usually does is (generally speaking) they are interested in running the same platform. Putting two guys on the ticket who have conflicting platforms doesn’t mean that they have to come to consensus before acting- it means that the POTUS can always act and the VP does nothing.

  4. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:12
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    Sorry, that of course should have been "no authority except for his role in the Senate."

  5. Michael van der Galien
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:15
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    Christine, sure. But we’re not talking about, in this situation, what selfish egotistical people would do, we’re talking about what they would ideally do (for the good of the country, etc.).

    In other words, I completely ignore human nature, in order to show how it could be if humans were less… fallible.

    And yes, you could – then – very well call this exercise useless or irrelevant, but I had fun thinking about it at least. Didn’t you?

  6. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:21
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    But it’s not selfish to try to prevent an agenda that you strongly disagree with, Michael- that’s the point. The two men (or any others who are from opposing parties) simply have different ideas of what is ‘for the good of the country’.

  7. Michael van der Galien
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:22
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    Obviously that’s the same in the netherlands. yet we have learned how to compromise.

    See it?

  8. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:26
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    But in our system, the only way to do what you believe is best for the country is to fight for it- we don’t have proportional representation, so it really doesn’t work any other way.

  9. Michael van der Galien
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:29
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    But in our system, the only way to do what you believe is best for the country is to fight for it- we don’t have proportional representation, so it really doesn’t work any other way.
    You’re just a spoiler who refuses to play the “what if” game so popular among little children (and 23 year old students bored to death by studying literature for 8 hours a day).

    And yes, for some reason I post more and comment more when I’m supposed to study a lot. I think it’s because I’m often bored after 45 minutes or so.

    OK, having complained I now hve to go. One hour reading, then sleeping.

  10. C Stanley
    February 26th, 2008 at 23:31

    Same here with regard to household chores, I suppose!

  11. Bob
    February 27th, 2008 at 00:35

    It won’t happen and really it shouldn’t. There is a reason that we don’t have the VP from the other party. Jefferson made a terrible VP for Adams, constant bickering and he refused to help Adams when ever he could.

    It just didn’t work and there is no need to go back. I would rather have more parties than having a shared Presidency.

  12. kritter
    February 27th, 2008 at 14:31

    I agree with Bob. You might have one surrepticiously obstructing the other, with a gain of net zero for the country. But, having said that, I see no reason why the cabinet should consist of the winning party’s well-connected, or why the president shouldn’t have advisors that represent all points of view. This is how FDR operated, and it served him and us very well.

  13. C Stanley
    February 27th, 2008 at 14:44

    This is how FDR operated, and it served him and us very well.

    Say what? Who were the contrarians in the FDR administration? The man tried to stack the Supreme Court so that he could have his expansive executive authority validated- so it hardly seems that he was willing to entertain opposing viewpoints.

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