Comments on: Clinton Democrats Have Had Enough http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/ Because Common Sense Transcends Distance Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:39:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Demagitator http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-34741 Demagitator Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:10:28 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-34741 <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> I was banned by DU; and then I started to boycott Dailykos, recently. Being flamed at DU, basically was a way of life for me –especially when I initiated the controversial tsunami HARRP theory.  I think it would help people to understand that “ultra liberalism” does not mix well with the Republican Party or the Democratic Party –just at it did not mix well with the Nazi party.,.. read about Franz Jägerstätter, in Germany whom was beheaded by the Nazis because he refused to join the Army.  And, he was very unpopular in Germany – so with Limbaugh equating liberalism with the Dem’s was and is a great disservice to the English language, because most of the people at Dailykos or DU, etc., are not liberal Democrats, they are simply Democrats.  JFK was a liberal Democrat, but what made him a great president was that he had the fundamental skill of a liberal, which is the ability to face difficult issues (Courage) – todays liberals; again are not liberals evidenced by the fact the 99.9% of Liberal Dem’s are to afraid to call themselves liberals, by even uttering the word liberal.  Thus, if they are to afraid to utter the word liberal , they would then be to afraid to utter the great principles of liberalism.  Ironically, even supporting a politician like Hillary -- as I do -- forces one into traditional liberal politics. It is not difficult for me because I am a ultra liberal, but for Democrats it must be agony. All, I can say look at it like a learning experience similar to the process great minds JFK had to come to terms with. I was banned by DU; and then I started to boycott Dailykos, recently. Being flamed at DU, basically was a way of life for me –especially when I initiated the controversial tsunami HARRP theory.  I think it would help people to understand that “ultra liberalism” does not mix well with the Republican Party or the Democratic Party –just at it did not mix well with the Nazi party.,.. read about Franz Jägerstätter, in Germany whom was beheaded by the Nazis because he refused to join the Army.  And, he was very unpopular in Germany – so with Limbaugh equating liberalism with the Dem’s was and is a great disservice to the English language, because most of the people at Dailykos or DU, etc., are not liberal Democrats, they are simply Democrats.  JFK was a liberal Democrat, but what made him a great president was that he had the fundamental skill of a liberal, which is the ability to face difficult issues (Courage) – todays liberals; again are not liberals evidenced by the fact the 99.9% of Liberal Dem’s are to afraid to call themselves liberals, by even uttering the word liberal.  Thus, if they are to afraid to utter the word liberal , they would then be to afraid to utter the great principles of liberalism.  Ironically, even supporting a politician like Hillary — as I do — forces one into traditional liberal politics. It is not difficult for me because I am a ultra liberal, but for Democrats it must be agony. All, I can say look at it like a learning experience similar to the process great minds JFK had to come to terms with.

]]> By: Demagitator http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-34735 Demagitator Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:03:45 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-34735 <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> <!-- @page { size: 8.5in 11in; margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> I was banned by DU; and then I started to boycott Dailykos, recently. Being flamed at DU, basically was a way of life for me ?especially when I initiated the controversial tsunami HARRP theory. I think it would help people to understand that ?ultra liberalism? does not mix well with the Republican Party or the Democratic Party ?just at it did not mix well with the Nazi party.,.. read about Franz Jägerstätter, in Germany whom was beheaded by the Nazis because he refused to join the Army. And, he was very unpopular in Germany ? so with Limbaugh equating liberalism with the Dem?s -- was and is -- a great disservice to the English language, because most of the people at Dailykos or DU, etc., are not liberal Democrats, they are simply Democrats. JFK was a liberal Democrat, but what made him a great president was that he had the fundamental skill of a liberal, which is the ability to face difficult issues (Courage) ? todays liberals; again are not liberals evidenced by the fact the 99.9% of Liberal Dem?s are to afraid to call themselves liberals, by even uttering the word liberal. Thus, if they are to afraid to utter the word liberal , they would then be to afraid to utter the great principles of liberalism. Ironically, even supporting a politician like Hillary -- as I do -- forces one into traditional liberal politics. It is not difficult for me because I am a ultra liberal, but for Democrats it must be agony. All, I can say look at it like a learning experience similar to the process great minds JFK had to come to terms with. I was banned by DU; and then I started to boycott Dailykos, recently. Being flamed at DU, basically was a way of life for me ?especially when I initiated the controversial tsunami HARRP theory. I think it would help people to understand that ?ultra liberalism? does not mix well with the Republican Party or the Democratic Party ?just at it did not mix well with the Nazi party.,.. read about Franz Jägerstätter, in Germany whom was beheaded by the Nazis because he refused to join the Army. And, he was very unpopular in Germany ? so with Limbaugh equating liberalism with the Dem?s — was and is — a great disservice to the English language, because most of the people at Dailykos or DU, etc., are not liberal Democrats, they are simply Democrats. JFK was a liberal Democrat, but what made him a great president was that he had the fundamental skill of a liberal, which is the ability to face difficult issues (Courage) ? todays liberals; again are not liberals evidenced by the fact the 99.9% of Liberal Dem?s are to afraid to call themselves liberals, by even uttering the word liberal. Thus, if they are to afraid to utter the word liberal , they would then be to afraid to utter the great principles of liberalism. Ironically, even supporting a politician like Hillary — as I do — forces one into traditional liberal politics. It is not difficult for me because I am a ultra liberal, but for Democrats it must be agony. All, I can say look at it like a learning experience similar to the process great minds JFK had to come to terms with.

]]> By: DEMOCRATS WILL BE FINE BY NOVEMBER (PROBABLY) | texan democrat .com http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31962 DEMOCRATS WILL BE FINE BY NOVEMBER (PROBABLY) | texan democrat .com Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:00:34 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31962 [...] that it were so. Rather than the stresses of the campaign “tearing apart the Democratic Party,” I think what we’re really seeing is a reordering of the liberal blogosphere – an extremely [...] [...] that it were so. Rather than the stresses of the campaign “tearing apart the Democratic Party,” I think what we’re really seeing is a reordering of the liberal blogosphere – an extremely [...]

]]> By: Interested http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31946 Interested Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:09:59 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31946 Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain Well first, Obama wouldn't be foolish enough to pick HRC as a co.  and probably would be too smart to be her VP.   And many repubs or repub leaning voters may not like McCain but are smart enough to realize that HRC is plain wrong for any country much less the USA.  Obama, for all of his faults offers a different path, no matter how one may try to say otherwise. Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain

Well first, Obama wouldn’t be foolish enough to pick HRC as a co.  and probably would be too smart to be her VP.   And many repubs or repub leaning voters may not like McCain but are smart enough to realize that HRC is plain wrong for any country much less the USA.  Obama, for all of his faults offers a different path, no matter how one may try to say otherwise.

]]> By: jacksmith http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31922 jacksmith Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:57:53 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31922 DON'T BE DUPED!!! Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon. But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day). I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of  plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now. You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self. Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE! As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama  has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton. If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy. I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon. The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses. Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. “This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton) Sincerely jacksmith... DON’T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of  plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama  has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith…

]]> By: kranky kritter http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31872 kranky kritter Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:10:53 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31872 We already know that political junkies are a small subset of the total American voting population. The folks haunting one particular echo chamber like daily Kos are an even smaller subset. Once one takes the opportunity to step back and see things from this rather obvious perspective, it becomes clear what this Kos dust-up is. A tempest in a teapot. Sound and fury signifying nothing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        These Kos folks are a bunch of unscrupulous partisans both uninterested in and incapable of anything resembling fair-minded moderate critical thinking. They usually turn such rude and pathetic argumentation upon the "others" who play for the evil GOP team. So they really don't know what to do when their back-slapping society splits into 2 camps. The joyous unifying echo has become dissonant as two rhythms compete. As an independent and outsider, I think it's amusing and entertaining to see them devour their own. The cherry on top is the invocation of the boycott as a "solution."  Retreat to a smaller echo chamberthat holds no dissonance, that'll fix things.  :-)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       As more time passes, I am more inclined to adopt Mike Reynolds' view that this is all a slow-motion rejection of the Clintons by the democratic body politic. If it were not for the fact that Hillary Clinton has so much loyal gender-based support, this would have happened much more quickly. Yes geraldine, she's very lucky to be a woman. ROTFL.It is in some sense a shame that the DLC triangulationapproach  made manifest by the Clintons is jeopardized by this. The policy approaches are in many respects worthwhile, but the Clinton tactics? Not so much. I think the rejection has much more to do with personality than policy. I can see getting behind a future DLC triangulator if he or she has some manners. In fact, my hope is that a President Obama will if elected govern as a triangulator and not as a progressive. I hope time shows me that this hope was realistic and not vain. We already know that political junkies are a small subset of the total American voting population. The folks haunting one particular echo chamber like daily Kos are an even smaller subset. Once one takes the opportunity to step back and see things from this rather obvious perspective, it becomes clear what this Kos dust-up is. A tempest in a teapot. Sound and fury signifying nothing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        These Kos folks are a bunch of unscrupulous partisans both uninterested in and incapable of anything resembling fair-minded moderate critical thinking. They usually turn such rude and pathetic argumentation upon the "others" who play for the evil GOP team. So they really don’t know what to do when their back-slapping society splits into 2 camps. The joyous unifying echo has become dissonant as two rhythms compete. As an independent and outsider, I think it’s amusing and entertaining to see them devour their own. The cherry on top is the invocation of the boycott as a "solution."  Retreat to a smaller echo chamberthat holds no dissonance, that’ll fix things.  :-)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       As more time passes, I am more inclined to adopt Mike Reynolds’ view that this is all a slow-motion rejection of the Clintons by the democratic body politic. If it were not for the fact that Hillary Clinton has so much loyal gender-based support, this would have happened much more quickly. Yes geraldine, she’s very lucky to be a woman. ROTFL.It is in some sense a shame that the DLC triangulationapproach  made manifest by the Clintons is jeopardized by this. The policy approaches are in many respects worthwhile, but the Clinton tactics? Not so much. I think the rejection has much more to do with personality than policy. I can see getting behind a future DLC triangulator if he or she has some manners. In fact, my hope is that a President Obama will if elected govern as a triangulator and not as a progressive. I hope time shows me that this hope was realistic and not vain.

]]> By: Buck Naked Politics http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31870 Buck Naked Politics Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:02:47 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31870 <strong>Why I Support the Boycotters of Kos...</strong> Posted by Damozel | As D Cupples has already noted, diarists at Kos who support Hillary Clinton have decided that enough's enough. Good for them. It's about time Clinton supporters start speaking up against the abuse and insults of the Hillary-hating... Why I Support the Boycotters of Kos…

Posted by Damozel | As D Cupples has already noted, diarists at Kos who support Hillary Clinton have decided that enough’s enough. Good for them. It’s about time Clinton supporters start speaking up against the abuse and insults of the Hillary-hating…

]]> By: Jon Swift http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31800 Jon Swift Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:10:33 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31800 <strong>Hillary Clinton Supporters at Daily Kos Go On Stri...</strong> Republicans have despaired about whether there is any chance of electing a Republican as President but increasingly many are saying, "Yes we can!"... Hillary Clinton Supporters at Daily Kos Go On Stri…

Republicans have despaired about whether there is any chance of electing a Republican as President but increasingly many are saying, “Yes we can!”…

]]> By: Right Wing Nut House » DEMOCRATS WILL BE FINE BY NOVEMBER (PROBABLY) http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31775 Right Wing Nut House » DEMOCRATS WILL BE FINE BY NOVEMBER (PROBABLY) Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:23:28 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31775 [...] that it were so. Rather than the stresses of the campaign “tearing apart the Democratic Party,” I think what we’re really seeing is a reordering of the liberal blogosphere – an [...] [...] that it were so. Rather than the stresses of the campaign “tearing apart the Democratic Party,” I think what we’re really seeing is a reordering of the liberal blogosphere – an [...]

]]> By: marc http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-31767 marc Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:09:25 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/03/15/clinton-democrats-have-had-enough/#comment-31767 <blockquote>This is not the Democratic Party many of us have worked for; this is not the progressive blogosphere we’ve supported. </blockquote> Tom Watson is wrong.  The boorishness MvdG describes in his post is exactly the Democratic party and blogosphere the Kos-ites envision.

This is not the Democratic Party many of us have worked for; this is not the progressive blogosphere we’ve supported.

Tom Watson is wrong.  The boorishness MvdG describes in his post is exactly the Democratic party and blogosphere the Kos-ites envision.

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