Heavy fighting has broken out in the southern Iraqi city of Basra and naturally many among the anti-war left are joyfully claiming vindication at what they see as the impending failure of the “surge”, linking it yet again to their own domestic partisan obsessions. What these thoroughly predictable ideologues overlook, however, is who is really doing the fighting — Iraqis.
Operations in Basra are under the command of the Iraqi government, not U.S. forces. And British forces thus far remain in their barracks. What this means is that Iraqi forces are clearly demonstrating a capability to operate independently, a long-awaited sign of progress. Furthermore, the Shi’ite-dominated government is finally showing a willingness to stand up against the influence of Shi’ite extremists linked to Iran.
The sing-song about the scary reemergence of al-Sadr and his militias misses the point. Everyone with any tenuous knowledge of the region knew all along that sooner or later al-Sadr’s bands of thugs were going to have to be dealt with. The hope was that Iraq’s own forces could be built up enough to be capable of the task if given room to do so by the “surge”. And this plan appears to have paid off, if current patterns hold.
Of course, many risks remain. Iraqi troop morale may collapse and U.S. or British forces could be drawn in — a goal desperately sought by Sadrists who have targeted much of their reaction against Baghdad’s “Green Zone”. But the fact that Iraqis initiated the move against Sadr of their own accord shows that, instead of collapsing, the “surge” may be producing exactly what it was supposed to — an Iraqi state capable of standing up for itself.
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What this means is that Iraqi forces are clearly demonstrating a capability to operate independently, a long-awaited sign of progress. Furthermore, the Shi’ite-dominated government is finally showing a willingness to stand up against the influence of Shi’ite extremists linked to Iran.
You oversimplify. It is not sufficient to characterize the Iraqi government as "Shi’ite-dominated" when we’re talking about Shiite vs. Shiite conflict. SIIC and Dawa are both heavily influenced by Iran, and they, not Sadr, dominate the national government. They are not "standing up" to Shiite extremists, they are likely attempting to reduce the influence of Sadr and his Mahdi Army (this is especially likely considering that both parties were likely to suffer in upcoming provincial elections.) I don’t see how such conflict between Shiite groups is a "silver lining" for us, seeing as how the parties that are in power that we presently align ourselves have much more affinity for Iran than they do for us.
It’s odd how "thoroughly predictable ideologues" seem to grasp these nuances, whereas you do not.
Your credibility is severely undermined by the fact that you don’t even know which Shi’ite groups are the ones supported by Iran. Sadr’s militia is the one armed and funded by Iran, not the Iraqi government.
Talk about a lack of credibility, both SIIC and Dawa are supported by Iran. Both groups origins are as opposition groups that formed in Iran. Here is Senate testimony from Ray Takeyh, is his credibility in question?
http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testimony/2006/TakeyhTestimony060919.pdf
I wonder how you’ll feel after the next round of elections when the ‘al-Sadr thugs’ and the government are one and the same. Al-Sadr called the cease fire to move towards a political power play. They got burned because they boycotted the last election cycle, and won’t make the same mistake again, and it will pay off well for them. They aren’t going to be ‘dealt with’, unless by that you mean given more power over Iraq’s future.
I have to say that I sometimes get the impression that some members of the far-left are rooting for a loss. No matter what.
I have to say that I sometimes get the impression that some members of the far-left are rooting for a loss. No matter what.
Just catching on to that, Michael?
Guess what, folks? All the Shiite groups are funded and supported by Iran. Sadr’s connections are more than “tacit” considering that he’s paid several visits there in the past for training and guidance.
Anyone want to guess at why that might be?
I’m going to take a different tack here. I think most of the "the surge isn’t working" postings are coming from the fact that nobody seems to have indicated that the Iraqi forces are ready. This is regardless of whether or not they are. Everything we’ve been hearing for a long time has indicated they are not, and that has been one of the arguments for a continued presence in Iraq.
If the Iraqi forces really are ready, somebody needs to say so. But they won’t, I think. Not yet at least. Why? Because if something goes wrong, they’ll have the media on their backs about it.
Jimmie is right, and I wrote on this yesterday. Getting caught up in who Iran funds and doesn’t fund is kind of moot, because Iran is an equal opportunity financier of Shi’a terror and insurgency.
PIJ and Hamas both receive various levels of support from either Hezbollah, Iran, or both, and they’ve clashed on occasion.
KS – Jason ignores the history and Iranian support of Dawa and ISIC. This from a recent USAToday article paints a different story than Jason’s comment implies. Seems Tehran is banking on the Shia government, just in case they defeat the Medhi Army with US airpower support.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-03-03-1695908690_x.htm
Shouldn’t the "special groups" include the Badr Brigade/Organization and the Wolf Brigade?
I didn’t ignore it, Rudi. I disagreed with your interpretations of the facts because they conflict with evidence that the Iranians are supplying the Mahdi militia and the Iraqi government is opposed to that.
But apparently, you think that falsely claiming that your arguments are being ignored will help you cover up for the many times you’re getting caught spewing inaccurate talking points instead of responding to what is actually being posted.
P.S. The way you go running to TMV to “tattle” every time someone here posts something critical of one of their posts is just about the most completely infantile piece of game-playing that I have ever seen in the blogosphere. Your behavior amounts to “let’s you and him fight”. Pathetic.
Jason Maybe if you attack a post of Shaun’s at TMV you would link to him or trackback.
GlobalSecurities and other neutral defense sites have written on Irans support for ALL Shia militias and groups. THe USAToday article and Ray Takeyh’s Senate testimony address Iranian influences within the Shia government. Didn’t al-Hakim go to Iran for his cancer treatment, were his real allies are located. Please explain Shaun’s "joyful vindication" of a US defeat, is his pain about Iraq any less than W’s great pain.
Rudi, I did link to his post in my post. And I sent the normal automatic trackback indicator that Wordpress does. If TMV does not accept or process those trackback indicators, that is their problem, not mine. And I might even consider posting a comment on TMV manually if not for the fact that the post’s author has a long history of coming back at any critical comments with a spate of vulgar emails ordering such commenters to “get the f*ck out of my thread” and the like.
I stand behind my interpretation of the post and its author’s larger body of work. Maybe you should deal with your disagreement yourself instead of running to tattle to the Big Kids in the hope that you can get some bullies to come help you.
P.S. Your attempt to change the subject from a criticism of the author’s post to an unrelated snipe at Bush is noted and rejected. Are you capable of staying on any topic without a BDS outburst? Again, pathetic.
LOL – I didn’t know what you were talking about Jason, but then I checked it out. Funny stuff. "Look at what Jason says!"
funny stuff
Its the same pretty much any time we publish a post critical of one on TMV, actually. Rudi has apparently appointed himself as TMV’s Secret Squirrel to monitor The Legion of Doom meeting at PoliGaz.
But even so, Secret TMV Squirrel needs to get a new writer, because his current scripts are beyond dog-eared from repetitive overuse.
Responding the summons from the Secret Squirrel, the author of the original post on TMV is trying to renew a blog war, personally attacking me and accusing me of "libel".
ROFL
BTW, no trackback nor link was sent to this site in the post and Rudi’s dedication to ensuring that the other side is kept informed about attacks made upon them apparently only runs one way. Shocking. Not.
And calling someone a "rodent" is a "Moderater response". I will not lower myself to your standards. Maybe you can compare crib notes with your "advisement committee" for a mature response. Someone who witnessed death in Vietnam is more qualified on military matters than a "perfumed General" smacking away at a keyboard.
I’m not wearing any perfume, Rudi. And I was never a general, let alone a General. And I would never smack this cute little keyboard.
What "advisement committee" are you talking about?
Oh. You were just trying YET AGAIN to change the subject. Lame.
I keep forgetting that any disagreement with the exalted band of perfection that is TMV is intolerable and justification for blacklists and blog wars. Keep going, though. It’s entertaining to watch your pretzel-like moral contortions as you endorse from your masters that which you condemn from others.
Your credibility is severely undermined by the fact that you don’t even know which Shi’ite groups are the ones supported by Iran. Sadr’s militia is the one armed and funded by Iran, not the Iraqi government.
That comment is extraordinarily naive, and I see that you’ve been quick to back away from it. Still, you seem to misunderstand the situation. As other commentators have noted, Iran supports all Shiite parties to one extent or another, but it enjoys the greatest affiliation with Dawa and SIIC. This is simply an undeniable fact.
Yes, I suppose it’s a good thing that the national government’s military and security forces can support themselves (at least that’s how it appears, but the Mahdi Army seems to be giving them a problem in Basra and around Iraq.) But there are two problems with your silver lining. The first is that this isn’t Vietnam, and our success in Iraq cannot be measured by the ability of the government to defend itself. In fact, that concern is almost irrelevant as the government comes to represent not only mostly Shiites, but two particular Shiite parties. Second, I don’t think anybody thought that the end result of a self-sufficient Iraqi military would be a Shiite civil war.
Remember when we were worried about the ability of the government to protect itself from Sunni insurgents? That seems almost quaint now, doesn’t it?