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		<title>By: &#8220;It alarms me that anyone even considers putting those kids back in that compound.&#8221; &#171; Online Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;It alarms me that anyone even considers putting those kids back in that compound.&#8221; &#171; Online Ink</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Fate of FLDS Kids Uncertain &#171; The Reformed Fundamentalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fate of FLDS Kids Uncertain &#171; The Reformed Fundamentalist</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] wealth and power are relegated to having less wives, or being excommunicated from the community(PoliGazette). In early LDS culture, uncles and nieces were frequently married. Men who had more status in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: forbidden desire incest</title>
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		<description>[...] History is restricted to the genealogy of the Mormon prophets. Science is regarded as heresy, ...http://poligazette.com/2008/05/01/it-alarms-me-that-anyone-even-considers-putting-those-kids-back-in...Helping Elisabeth Fritzl The New StatesmanThe story of Elisabeth Fritzl, the 42 year old woman who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Garland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am astounded by the public’s willing ignorance on this matter and cannot understand why they are so easily mislead even in the face of such damning evidence. Please allow me to post that evidence with reference links. We know that last week, Texas Authorities dropped their warrant for Dale Barlow, who was the accused rapist by the now debunked hoax caller, Rozita Swinton, who claimed to be a 16 year old being raped by her father at the Yearning for Zion Ranch. This was the call which initiated the storming of the polygamist community by armed militia and the abduction of 463 children. Here is a link concerning the hoax caller and a link regarding the statement by Texas Authorities who dropped the warrant.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=61963
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kvue.com/news/state/stories/050308kvuepolygamist-jj.c4de3865.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kvue.com/news/state/stories/050308kvuepolygamist-jj.c4de3865.html&lt;/a&gt;

Texas Authorities also now admit cover up and possible disciplinary actions to their own when admitting that a growing number of girls who they claimed were minors and who had children while in state custody are actually adults, some as old as 22. Authorities admin to having the birth certificates all along.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90N2T8G0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90N2T8G0&lt;/a&gt;

In what could be said to at least ‘appear to be suspect’ concerning the timing of the report coinciding with falling public support, Texas authorities then claimed they found 41 broken bones among these children. A claim now however, they seem to quickly be retreating from.Quote from the Texas CPS website as of April 29th and maintained as of May 18th: “We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we&#039;ll continue to examine”
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp&lt;/a&gt; After that retreat and seeming to feel the public heat, the next claim by Texas authorities was that a new revelation was just uncovered that young boys were being molested. A story by the way sharply denied by the young boys themselves.&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1312929,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1312929,00.html&lt;/a&gt;

Are you beginning to see a pattern here? I imagine the next claim will be that they were boiling down infants and turning their fat into ritual candles.  I am saddened by what I see in many of my former Texas neighbors. I lived in Dallas from 1984 through 1992 and found the people to be quite sincere. But how they could support this event after watching our friends in Waco burn to death along with their children is beyond me.  For years, those of us who had friends in the Waco area or knew people who knew some of these good folks, tried to tell their story; only to be mocked and scorned. Years after fooling many of you, (not me), the FBI quietly admitted to starting the fire; though most citizens are completely ignorant of this admission.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/25/fbi.waco/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/25/fbi.waco/index.html&lt;/a&gt;

I believe some of those who spread the government’s stories concerning Waco deserve some of the blame for those young children dying. You may not have lit the match, but you certainly helped fan the flames, just as I believe some of you educated people who now spread the government’s stories concerning these parents in Utah should also share some of the blame for what is happening to these children.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am astounded by the public’s willing ignorance on this matter and cannot understand why they are so easily mislead even in the face of such damning evidence. Please allow me to post that evidence with reference links. We know that last week, Texas Authorities dropped their warrant for Dale Barlow, who was the accused rapist by the now debunked hoax caller, Rozita Swinton, who claimed to be a 16 year old being raped by her father at the Yearning for Zion Ranch. This was the call which initiated the storming of the polygamist community by armed militia and the abduction of 463 children. Here is a link concerning the hoax caller and a link regarding the statement by Texas Authorities who dropped the warrant.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=61963<br />
<a href="http://www.kvue.com/news/state/stories/050308kvuepolygamist-jj.c4de3865.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kvue.com/news/state/stories/050308kvuepolygamist-jj.c4de3865.html</a></p>
<p>Texas Authorities also now admit cover up and possible disciplinary actions to their own when admitting that a growing number of girls who they claimed were minors and who had children while in state custody are actually adults, some as old as 22. Authorities admin to having the birth certificates all along.<br />
<a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90N2T8G0" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90N2T8G0</a></p>
<p>In what could be said to at least ‘appear to be suspect’ concerning the timing of the report coinciding with falling public support, Texas authorities then claimed they found 41 broken bones among these children. A claim now however, they seem to quickly be retreating from.Quote from the Texas CPS website as of April 29th and maintained as of May 18th: “We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we&#8217;ll continue to examine”<br />
<a href="http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp</a> After that retreat and seeming to feel the public heat, the next claim by Texas authorities was that a new revelation was just uncovered that young boys were being molested. A story by the way sharply denied by the young boys themselves.<a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1312929,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1312929,00.html</a></p>
<p>Are you beginning to see a pattern here? I imagine the next claim will be that they were boiling down infants and turning their fat into ritual candles.  I am saddened by what I see in many of my former Texas neighbors. I lived in Dallas from 1984 through 1992 and found the people to be quite sincere. But how they could support this event after watching our friends in Waco burn to death along with their children is beyond me.  For years, those of us who had friends in the Waco area or knew people who knew some of these good folks, tried to tell their story; only to be mocked and scorned. Years after fooling many of you, (not me), the FBI quietly admitted to starting the fire; though most citizens are completely ignorant of this admission.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/25/fbi.waco/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/25/fbi.waco/index.html</a></p>
<p>I believe some of those who spread the government’s stories concerning Waco deserve some of the blame for those young children dying. You may not have lit the match, but you certainly helped fan the flames, just as I believe some of you educated people who now spread the government’s stories concerning these parents in Utah should also share some of the blame for what is happening to these children.    </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 00:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;admin: telling falsehoods about other people&#039;s religions is not welcome here&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudia, did you ever hear of the McMartin preschool case?

You might want to read up on it before you jump to conclusions based on rumors and unsupported allegations derived from interviews by state &quot;child welfare&quot; officials.  There is a very scary history there that warrants extreme caution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, did you ever hear of the McMartin preschool case?</p>
<p>You might want to read up on it before you jump to conclusions based on rumors and unsupported allegations derived from interviews by state &quot;child welfare&quot; officials.  There is a very scary history there that warrants extreme caution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one man is guilty of plural marriage, are not at least two woman guilty  also?  The last time I checked, women are still subject to the law.  We all know  FLDS women are moral, pioneer-spirited, strong-willed women.  I&#039;d hate to be a  man in a household when five sister wives find me &#039;out of line&#039;, then gang up on  me. If there is any abuse against women in a FLDS community, it comes when wives  gang up on a sister wife who has gone &#039;out of line&#039;, sometimes even banning her  to the outside world, where some turn to anti-polygamy activism. Of course,  anti-polygamy activists never blame their sister wives. They know too well that  no one would believe them -- so they blame men, easier targets in an anti-male,  anti-family culture.  I&#039;m sure there are some men who are guilty, but certainly  not all -- not even a small fraction. The FLDS raid is turning out to be a  looking glass into the mysterious life of FLDS culture. When the dust settles  and the truth is fully revealed, we&#039;re all going to be very surprised with the  results. Meanwhile, we continue to see the mainstream media and anti-male  activists paint FLDS suspects with the same brush used on the Duke lacrosse  victims who were falsely accused of rape.  District Attorney Michael Nifong is  no more, thanks to bloggers and the Internet, which made it possible for someone  besides just the biased, self-appointed members of the Fourth Estate to weigh in.   It&#039;s criminal how these people side -- willy-nilly -- with government sponsored  terrorism against the FLDS community.  The only time we hear members of the  press object is when one of their own squeals when his or her First Amendment  rights are trampled on.  Otherwise, they all pretty much tow the institutional  line, even if it means innocent victims are convicted.  Texas has the highest  false-conviction rate in the US.  Where were the Fourth Estate members who claim  they are the final check-and-balance on government?  It takes a prosecutor and a  liar to convict an innocent person.  Yet, of all the innocent individuals who  have been convicted of a crime, Nifong stands alone as the only fallen  prosecutor.  As far as I know, no witness has been convicted for the perjury  that landed an innocent person in prison.  These criminal officials and  perjurers are free among us, just as free as the author is to slander the  reputations of many men and women who most certainly are not guilty of any crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one man is guilty of plural marriage, are not at least two woman guilty  also?  The last time I checked, women are still subject to the law.  We all know  FLDS women are moral, pioneer-spirited, strong-willed women.  I&#8217;d hate to be a  man in a household when five sister wives find me &#8216;out of line&#8217;, then gang up on  me. If there is any abuse against women in a FLDS community, it comes when wives  gang up on a sister wife who has gone &#8216;out of line&#8217;, sometimes even banning her  to the outside world, where some turn to anti-polygamy activism. Of course,  anti-polygamy activists never blame their sister wives. They know too well that  no one would believe them &#8212; so they blame men, easier targets in an anti-male,  anti-family culture.  I&#8217;m sure there are some men who are guilty, but certainly  not all &#8212; not even a small fraction. The FLDS raid is turning out to be a  looking glass into the mysterious life of FLDS culture. When the dust settles  and the truth is fully revealed, we&#8217;re all going to be very surprised with the  results. Meanwhile, we continue to see the mainstream media and anti-male  activists paint FLDS suspects with the same brush used on the Duke lacrosse  victims who were falsely accused of rape.  District Attorney Michael Nifong is  no more, thanks to bloggers and the Internet, which made it possible for someone  besides just the biased, self-appointed members of the Fourth Estate to weigh in.   It&#8217;s criminal how these people side &#8212; willy-nilly &#8212; with government sponsored  terrorism against the FLDS community.  The only time we hear members of the  press object is when one of their own squeals when his or her First Amendment  rights are trampled on.  Otherwise, they all pretty much tow the institutional  line, even if it means innocent victims are convicted.  Texas has the highest  false-conviction rate in the US.  Where were the Fourth Estate members who claim  they are the final check-and-balance on government?  It takes a prosecutor and a  liar to convict an innocent person.  Yet, of all the innocent individuals who  have been convicted of a crime, Nifong stands alone as the only fallen  prosecutor.  As far as I know, no witness has been convicted for the perjury  that landed an innocent person in prison.  These criminal officials and  perjurers are free among us, just as free as the author is to slander the  reputations of many men and women who most certainly are not guilty of any crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, thank you. One note, the whole thing about boys being perfectly safe seems to be, shall we say, &lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90CJB3G0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;less than clear&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post, thank you. One note, the whole thing about boys being perfectly safe seems to be, shall we say, <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90CJB3G0" rel="nofollow">less than clear</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to reopen the debate, Jason, but this &quot;yeah, but only the teenage girls were in danger&quot; defense is just wrong, even in the absence of any abuse of pre-teens and boys.

I had lunch yesterday with an old prosecutor buddy of mine, and he was telling me about one of his cases. This woman had several children, the youngest of whom were twins.

She starved the twins to death, well, one of them anyway, the other was permanently injured by severe starvation. Somehow, she got off with probation on a diminished capacity kind of defense. Remarkably, child services let her keep her other children, explicitly on the reasoning that, well, she had no problem with the other children, she just was kind of crazy about the twins. Since the twins weren&#039;t around any more, she wasn&#039;t a danger to the other kids.

A year or so later, 5 of the kids died in a fire because the mother kept them all sleeping in one room with old electrical space heaters with bad wiring  laying around.

Any parent who would abuse a 13 year old girl, or knowingly allow that girl to be abused, is not a fit parent for ANY child, whether they pose an immediate risk of injury to that younger child or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to reopen the debate, Jason, but this &quot;yeah, but only the teenage girls were in danger&quot; defense is just wrong, even in the absence of any abuse of pre-teens and boys.</p>
<p>I had lunch yesterday with an old prosecutor buddy of mine, and he was telling me about one of his cases. This woman had several children, the youngest of whom were twins.</p>
<p>She starved the twins to death, well, one of them anyway, the other was permanently injured by severe starvation. Somehow, she got off with probation on a diminished capacity kind of defense. Remarkably, child services let her keep her other children, explicitly on the reasoning that, well, she had no problem with the other children, she just was kind of crazy about the twins. Since the twins weren&#8217;t around any more, she wasn&#8217;t a danger to the other kids.</p>
<p>A year or so later, 5 of the kids died in a fire because the mother kept them all sleeping in one room with old electrical space heaters with bad wiring  laying around.</p>
<p>Any parent who would abuse a 13 year old girl, or knowingly allow that girl to be abused, is not a fit parent for ANY child, whether they pose an immediate risk of injury to that younger child or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An ex-Mormon raised in the mainstream church, Moore-Emmett is critical of the LDS leadership for ducking the issue of polygamy. &lt;/blockquote&gt; For reasons I explained previously, ex-members of a religion are often the worst possible sources for objective information.  I am disappointed that PoliGazette has yet again published another report from such a source without even the slightest skepticism.

The fact is that the mainstream LDS church routinely excommunicates anyone found to be living in a polygamous relationship.  They do not &quot;duck&quot; the issue.  The accusation that all Mormons are somehow responsible for the teachings and behaviors of any religious group that branched off over a century ago is slanderous and irresponsible.  It is a clear indication that this author is not a credible or objective source, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An ex-Mormon raised in the mainstream church, Moore-Emmett is critical of the LDS leadership for ducking the issue of polygamy. </p></blockquote>
<p> For reasons I explained previously, ex-members of a religion are often the worst possible sources for objective information.  I am disappointed that PoliGazette has yet again published another report from such a source without even the slightest skepticism.</p>
<p>The fact is that the mainstream LDS church routinely excommunicates anyone found to be living in a polygamous relationship.  They do not &#8220;duck&#8221; the issue.  The accusation that all Mormons are somehow responsible for the teachings and behaviors of any religious group that branched off over a century ago is slanderous and irresponsible.  It is a clear indication that this author is not a credible or objective source, in my opinion.</p>
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