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		<title>By: Calm</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/13/obama-explains-his-position-on-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-50310</link>
		<dc:creator>Calm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We would never allow 35 million people of Taiwan to constantly bad-mouth China and offend a billion or more Chinese. And yet we are actually encouraging 5 million Jewish Folks living inside Israel and another 10 million Jews living elsewhere to bad-mouth a billion or more Muslims and Arabs.

How is that possible?

Why do we allow 5 million people living inside Israel to hold the world hostage for 60 years or more and to threaten mankind with nuclear war?

For years and years Jewish Folks have entered court rooms across this universe and demanding the &quot;Right Of Return&quot; of money, jewlery, paintings and properties which were seized by Hitler and The Clowns. Never once have I heard the Jewish Folks claim that &quot;The Facts Had Changed On The Ground&quot; and thus the Jews might not be eligible for the return of that which once belonged to them.

But the Jews are telling the Palestinian People that &quot;The Facts Have Changed On The Ground&quot; and they are not entitled to the return of lands and properties which were seized in 1948 or as a result of the 6-day war.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We would never allow 35 million people of Taiwan to constantly bad-mouth China and offend a billion or more Chinese. And yet we are actually encouraging 5 million Jewish Folks living inside Israel and another 10 million Jews living elsewhere to bad-mouth a billion or more Muslims and Arabs.</p>
<p>How is that possible?</p>
<p>Why do we allow 5 million people living inside Israel to hold the world hostage for 60 years or more and to threaten mankind with nuclear war?</p>
<p>For years and years Jewish Folks have entered court rooms across this universe and demanding the &quot;Right Of Return&quot; of money, jewlery, paintings and properties which were seized by Hitler and The Clowns. Never once have I heard the Jewish Folks claim that &quot;The Facts Had Changed On The Ground&quot; and thus the Jews might not be eligible for the return of that which once belonged to them.</p>
<p>But the Jews are telling the Palestinian People that &quot;The Facts Have Changed On The Ground&quot; and they are not entitled to the return of lands and properties which were seized in 1948 or as a result of the 6-day war.</p>
<p>Calm</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/13/obama-explains-his-position-on-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-50283</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you.  are.  insane.  at no point in your rambling, incoherent screed did you demonstrate common sense or a mastery of the english language.
which one (or ones) of obama&#039;s policies &quot;will be most beneficial for Hamas and Iran?&quot;  if you&#039;re going to script paranoid analyses of rather mundane interviews, you should at least have the courtesy to provide examples so that he can be fairly defended by those of us with some perspective.

apparently not satisfied with this level of obfuscation and dishonesty, you add: &quot;Obama shows what he really thinks of the crisis in the Middle East: it is all Israel’s fault. Those darn settlements. He gives on the impression that Hamas - Jew-murdering bastards they are - have some good points and valid concerns.&quot;

again, please audit an introduction to critical reading class at your local community college.  here is what he really said:

&quot;You will not see, under my presidency, any slackening in commitment to Israel’s security...I want to make sure that the people of Israel, when they kiss their kids and put them on that bus, feel at least no more existential dread than any parent does whenever their kids leave their sight. So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.&quot;

ooh.  sounds like a nascent nazi, eh?  so obama&#039;s willingness to question - not condemn - and israeli practice that is, even under israeli law, illegal, demonstrates his feeling that the conflict is entirely the fault of israel?
the problem is, i&#039;m quite sure that you&#039;re not even stupid enough to be able to use your own idiocy as an excuse.  it&#039;s much worse.  you&#039;re a liar.  you have taken obama&#039;s words and twisted them around so that it fits neatly into your own strained narrative on the modern world.  fight for your own issues and defend any or all of israel&#039;s policies.  don&#039;t spread misinformation and lies about someone who, according to all of the facts, is actually on your side.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you.  are.  insane.  at no point in your rambling, incoherent screed did you demonstrate common sense or a mastery of the english language.<br />
which one (or ones) of obama&#8217;s policies &quot;will be most beneficial for Hamas and Iran?&quot;  if you&#8217;re going to script paranoid analyses of rather mundane interviews, you should at least have the courtesy to provide examples so that he can be fairly defended by those of us with some perspective.</p>
<p>apparently not satisfied with this level of obfuscation and dishonesty, you add: &quot;Obama shows what he really thinks of the crisis in the Middle East: it is all Israel’s fault. Those darn settlements. He gives on the impression that Hamas &#8211; Jew-murdering bastards they are &#8211; have some good points and valid concerns.&quot;</p>
<p>again, please audit an introduction to critical reading class at your local community college.  here is what he really said:</p>
<p>&quot;You will not see, under my presidency, any slackening in commitment to Israel’s security&#8230;I want to make sure that the people of Israel, when they kiss their kids and put them on that bus, feel at least no more existential dread than any parent does whenever their kids leave their sight. So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That’s the question that has to be asked.&quot;</p>
<p>ooh.  sounds like a nascent nazi, eh?  so obama&#8217;s willingness to question &#8211; not condemn &#8211; and israeli practice that is, even under israeli law, illegal, demonstrates his feeling that the conflict is entirely the fault of israel?<br />
the problem is, i&#8217;m quite sure that you&#8217;re not even stupid enough to be able to use your own idiocy as an excuse.  it&#8217;s much worse.  you&#8217;re a liar.  you have taken obama&#8217;s words and twisted them around so that it fits neatly into your own strained narrative on the modern world.  fight for your own issues and defend any or all of israel&#8217;s policies.  don&#8217;t spread misinformation and lies about someone who, according to all of the facts, is actually on your side.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Eban</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/13/obama-explains-his-position-on-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-50244</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Eban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is running for office in the USA, not Israel. Any candidate that bends over for foreign agents like Jeff Goldberg et al. have no business being in the election in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is running for office in the USA, not Israel. Any candidate that bends over for foreign agents like Jeff Goldberg et al. have no business being in the election in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/13/obama-explains-his-position-on-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-50211</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that, Tully, but in Obama&#039;s case it seems to be especially volatile. I mean, how often do you see Jewish groups and pro-Palestininian groups (ones who are advocated for a ONE STATE solution) both thinking that a certain politician is on their side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that, Tully, but in Obama&#8217;s case it seems to be especially volatile. I mean, how often do you see Jewish groups and pro-Palestininian groups (ones who are advocated for a ONE STATE solution) both thinking that a certain politician is on their side?</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But they turn on you &lt;em&gt;anyway&lt;/em&gt;, Christine. That&#039;s part of the nature of politics.  No matter what you do you anger some of the people most of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But they turn on you <em>anyway</em>, Christine. That&#8217;s part of the nature of politics.  No matter what you do you anger some of the people most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don’t know that someone who killed themselves off with fast living and booze at the age of 44 is the best source for quotes on first-rate intelligence&lt;/em&gt;

LOL. There&#039;s also the consideration of whether holding two opposing ideas in one&#039;s head necessarily has to lead to talking out of both sides of one&#039;s mouth, because the problem as I see it is the inability or unwillingness to tell those on one extreme or the other that you are wiling to entertain a much moderated version of their viewpoint but that you&#039;re also entertaining a moderated viewpoint of the opposing side&#039;s viewpoint, and thus their extremism won&#039;t win out at the end of the day. If you aren&#039;t willing to be upfront from the start about that, then people on one side or the other are eventually going to turn on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don’t know that someone who killed themselves off with fast living and booze at the age of 44 is the best source for quotes on first-rate intelligence</em></p>
<p>LOL. There&#8217;s also the consideration of whether holding two opposing ideas in one&#8217;s head necessarily has to lead to talking out of both sides of one&#8217;s mouth, because the problem as I see it is the inability or unwillingness to tell those on one extreme or the other that you are wiling to entertain a much moderated version of their viewpoint but that you&#8217;re also entertaining a moderated viewpoint of the opposing side&#8217;s viewpoint, and thus their extremism won&#8217;t win out at the end of the day. If you aren&#8217;t willing to be upfront from the start about that, then people on one side or the other are eventually going to turn on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that someone who killed themselves off with fast living and booze at the age of 44 is the best source for quotes on first-rate intelligence. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that someone who killed themselves off with fast living and booze at the age of 44 is the best source for quotes on first-rate intelligence. <img src='http://www.poligazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise.&lt;/em&gt;
 -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knowprose.com/node/1517&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;F. Scott Fitzgerald&lt;/a&gt;

Mr. Obama passes the intelligence test while the frothing and rabid Mr. Frum does not.  I want a president who keeps American interests foremost in priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise.</em><br />
 &#8212; <a href="http://www.knowprose.com/node/1517" rel="nofollow">F. Scott Fitzgerald</a></p>
<p>Mr. Obama passes the intelligence test while the frothing and rabid Mr. Frum does not.  I want a president who keeps American interests foremost in priority.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And here I had been told that the only people who questioned the patriotism of those they disagreed with were the &quot;right-wing nutjobs&quot; and &quot;neocons&quot;.  Thanks for proving that such tactics are found equally on the other side, JJ.  :) &quot;

Aside from the part questioning how many Americans love Israel, the rest of my comments were meant to be ironic. The rhetoric from the far left and the far right are nothing but a show of intellectual deficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And here I had been told that the only people who questioned the patriotism of those they disagreed with were the &quot;right-wing nutjobs&quot; and &quot;neocons&quot;.  Thanks for proving that such tactics are found equally on the other side, JJ.  <img src='http://www.poligazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &quot;</p>
<p>Aside from the part questioning how many Americans love Israel, the rest of my comments were meant to be ironic. The rhetoric from the far left and the far right are nothing but a show of intellectual deficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very true, Tully. In that sense, Obama&#039;s sort of the embodiment of current Democratic Congress (who, as you mention, don&#039;t have so much of a problem when they&#039;re just representing local concerns- but they&#039;ve obviously been unable to perform as a unified body on matters of national interest.) I assume Obama&#039;s personal likeability will keep people from turning on him as quickly, but I can&#039;t imagine that he&#039;ll be much more effective than they&#039;ve been. Which, given my own policy preferences, isn&#039;t that bad of a thing, but it still could get pretty ugly I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very true, Tully. In that sense, Obama&#8217;s sort of the embodiment of current Democratic Congress (who, as you mention, don&#8217;t have so much of a problem when they&#8217;re just representing local concerns- but they&#8217;ve obviously been unable to perform as a unified body on matters of national interest.) I assume Obama&#8217;s personal likeability will keep people from turning on him as quickly, but I can&#8217;t imagine that he&#8217;ll be much more effective than they&#8217;ve been. Which, given my own policy preferences, isn&#8217;t that bad of a thing, but it still could get pretty ugly I think.</p>
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