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	<description>Because Common Sense Transcends Distance</description>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59206</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis, I&#039;ve just linked your blog as part of my permanent collection of media sites to be revisited regularly, so write something good for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, I&#8217;ve just linked your blog as part of my permanent collection of media sites to be revisited regularly, so write something good for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia, Assistant Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59199</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia, Assistant Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good look into the underbelly of the beast, Jason. It made me think of another aspect of blogging; the decision to cover (or not) inflamatory stories or rumors, and at what point do you have &quot;no choice&quot; but to acknowledge them (if there is such a point). I&#039;ll see if I can write something about it latert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good look into the underbelly of the beast, Jason. It made me think of another aspect of blogging; the decision to cover (or not) inflamatory stories or rumors, and at what point do you have &quot;no choice&quot; but to acknowledge them (if there is such a point). I&#8217;ll see if I can write something about it latert.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason, Managing Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason, Managing Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responded to in an update to the post, dave.

My main point has nothing to do with whether Greenwald has knowledge about the &quot;Telecom issue&quot; or even with whether his position is substantively right or wrong.  It has rather to do with HOW he pursues it.  The fact that he chooses to pursue most if not all of his issues primarily through name-calling and demonization of all opponents rather than with substantively engaging and refuting their arguments remains unfortunate.  The fact that he is rewarded with acclaim and influence for doing so is toxic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responded to in an update to the post, dave.</p>
<p>My main point has nothing to do with whether Greenwald has knowledge about the &quot;Telecom issue&quot; or even with whether his position is substantively right or wrong.  It has rather to do with HOW he pursues it.  The fact that he chooses to pursue most if not all of his issues primarily through name-calling and demonization of all opponents rather than with substantively engaging and refuting their arguments remains unfortunate.  The fact that he is rewarded with acclaim and influence for doing so is toxic.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Greenwald was misquoted about the &quot;evil&quot; remark and the author who misquoted him apologized.  I guess it would be too much to ask for you to now give us an example yourself of GG &quot;foaming&quot;??? Most people would say he&#039;s very informed on the Telecom issue and sees it as an erosion of civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald was misquoted about the &quot;evil&quot; remark and the author who misquoted him apologized.  I guess it would be too much to ask for you to now give us an example yourself of GG &quot;foaming&quot;??? Most people would say he&#8217;s very informed on the Telecom issue and sees it as an erosion of civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: occam</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59178</link>
		<dc:creator>occam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;admin: ODS thread hijacking deleted.  I said I wouldn&#039;t tolerate it any more.  I meant it.  You are not banned, but don&#039;t hijack threads with anti-Obama screeds again.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>admin: ODS thread hijacking deleted.  I said I wouldn&#8217;t tolerate it any more.  I meant it.  You are not banned, but don&#8217;t hijack threads with anti-Obama screeds again.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jason, Managing Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason, Managing Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Mitch, but I have to stand behind my criticism of your post.  It would have been possible to criticize Obama&#039;s position on gun control without using sweeping words like &quot;liar&quot; and other over-the-top phrases like &quot;polish the turd&quot; as well as condescending references like &quot;Obie&quot;.  As a fellow Minnesotan, I find your style more emblematic of Al Franken than I would like.  I would hope that a &lt;i&gt;substantive&lt;/i&gt; political blogosphere would not be dominated by such sophomoric word-play.

It is true that not all criticism or disagreement is symptomatic of &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when the criticism and disagreement escalates past the substantive to the personal that it becomes &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when criticism is constantly premised on double standards or shifting standards that it becomes what I would call &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when the search for negative stories (and negative spins to positive stories) becomes a constant daily quest that I would call it &quot;derangement&quot;.

And I don&#039;t think your attempt to conflate reasonable disagreements with obsessive, repetitive bashing succeeds, Michael.  &quot;Pointing our hypocrisy or dishonesty&quot; isn&#039;t derangement, that is true.  But pointing it out obsessively over and over and over and over and over day-in and day-out and/or using inconsistent or disingenuous standards IS.  I have noted and appreciated the fact that your more recent commentaries of the last few weeks have been much more even-handed and substantive even while critical.  But I think &quot;ODS&quot; is a fair description of where you were for some time before that.

Anyway, as I said in the post, I can&#039;t change anyone else&#039;s choice to indulge in what I think is &quot;derangement&quot; or other pathologies of the political blogosphere.  What I CAN choose is whether to participate in the shell game myself any more.  I choose not to.  Instead, I choose to call it out and dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Mitch, but I have to stand behind my criticism of your post.  It would have been possible to criticize Obama&#8217;s position on gun control without using sweeping words like &quot;liar&quot; and other over-the-top phrases like &quot;polish the turd&quot; as well as condescending references like &quot;Obie&quot;.  As a fellow Minnesotan, I find your style more emblematic of Al Franken than I would like.  I would hope that a <i>substantive</i> political blogosphere would not be dominated by such sophomoric word-play.</p>
<p>It is true that not all criticism or disagreement is symptomatic of &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when the criticism and disagreement escalates past the substantive to the personal that it becomes &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when criticism is constantly premised on double standards or shifting standards that it becomes what I would call &quot;derangement&quot;.  It is when the search for negative stories (and negative spins to positive stories) becomes a constant daily quest that I would call it &quot;derangement&quot;.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think your attempt to conflate reasonable disagreements with obsessive, repetitive bashing succeeds, Michael.  &quot;Pointing our hypocrisy or dishonesty&quot; isn&#8217;t derangement, that is true.  But pointing it out obsessively over and over and over and over and over day-in and day-out and/or using inconsistent or disingenuous standards IS.  I have noted and appreciated the fact that your more recent commentaries of the last few weeks have been much more even-handed and substantive even while critical.  But I think &#8220;ODS&#8221; is a fair description of where you were for some time before that.</p>
<p>Anyway, as I said in the post, I can&#8217;t change anyone else&#8217;s choice to indulge in what I think is &quot;derangement&quot; or other pathologies of the political blogosphere.  What I CAN choose is whether to participate in the shell game myself any more.  I choose not to.  Instead, I choose to call it out and dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve been repeatedly accused of ODS for &lt;em&gt;actively debunking&lt;/em&gt; silly Obama rumors.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve been repeatedly accused of ODS for <em>actively debunking</em> silly Obama rumors.
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<p>LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Pointing out hypocrisy or dishonesty is not the same as ODS.

&lt;/em&gt;It sure isn&#039;t, but True Believers do not make such fine distinctions. Hell, I&#039;ve been repeatedly accused of ODS for &lt;em&gt;actively debunking&lt;/em&gt; silly Obama rumors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Pointing out hypocrisy or dishonesty is not the same as ODS.</p>
<p></em>It sure isn&#8217;t, but True Believers do not make such fine distinctions. Hell, I&#8217;ve been repeatedly accused of ODS for <em>actively debunking</em> silly Obama rumors.</p>
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		<title>By: MBerg</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBerg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thanks.  And I do agree with (one of) the larger point(s); derangement in general is a bad thing, and is the quickest path to a meaningless debate.  And there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;  Obama Derangement out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks.  And I do agree with (one of) the larger point(s); derangement in general is a bad thing, and is the quickest path to a meaningless debate.  And there <em>is</em>  Obama Derangement out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/25/the-presumption-of-bad-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-59149</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; the only documentary record there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;  on the issue says otherwise.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;That is indeed a very fair remark. Pointing out hypocrisy or dishonesty is not the same as ODS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> the only documentary record there <em>is</em>  on the issue says otherwise.
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<p>That is indeed a very fair remark. Pointing out hypocrisy or dishonesty is not the same as ODS.</p>
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