@ Dylan

The Islamic COnference is probably bigger than OSCE but the level of cooperation between the states is very low…

I’m from Indonesia, and we never know what membership in OIC brings.

Yes, the Western World is really in for some surprises when the effect of the Ignorant Vote-Hungry politicians is removed from the equation and when the self-proclaimed Genocide "Scholars" are exposed for the flakes and hacks that many of them really are! The temptation has proven all to strong for a significant number of these individuals who see a life of relative ignominy as the alternative, to prostitute their talents and qualifications to the greed and ambition of the powerful Armenian Propagandists who extend an open offer of a "reputation" and "standing" to any taker who will lend some measure of validation to their deceitful lies!

Whopppyyy! That famous word "Deniers" came up again! How uncreative and predictable your comments have become. Come onnnn people!!! come up with more creative ways to push your agenda… What a bore….. 

Turkey should think wisely before distributing baklava after each event like this! look to the big picture, Obama is coming to the White House next year, and the Turkish position among the Europeans is weakening every time the Armenian Genocide denial floats on surface. A joint historian commission that the Turks are calling for a while is not going to add any value to the tenths of archives which are already open and clearly identifies the Armenian killing as a ‘Genocide’.

The reason? Simple. Lands and money.
That’s right.

"Dear compatriots, against Turkey, we will continue to organize ourselves. We will organize so as to be better prepared to mobilize.  We will mobilize to better acheive our goals and gains.  Not only for the recognition of the genocide, but also for the construction of a free, independent and reunified Armenia, so that all together we can again take posession of Van, Much, Kars, Sassun, Bitlis and Erzurum." 
Mourad Papazian, chief of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation for Western Europe, speech in Marseille, April 24, 2006 (http://www.turquieeuropeenne.eu/spip.php?page=print&id_article=1261).

"The 18th General Assembly of the Social Democratic Hunchakian Party was held during the last weeks of November in Larnaka, Cyprus. 52 delegates representing 12 adherent part regions participated along with the outgoing Central Executive Board.
[...]
The Assembly reaffirmed the traditional positions of the S. D. Hunchakian Party regarding the Armenian Cause and territorial demands."
http://www.hunchak.org.au/aboutus/historical_Declaration2005.html

See also:

http://setasarmenian.blogspot.com/2007/12/armenians-demand-justice-not.html

Enlevez votre masque, le faux Dussardier, on vous a reconnu.

To the readers: do not pay attention to this post.

Hitler never said "Armenians"
Indeed: http://www.ataa.org/reference/hitler-lowry.html

the massacres committed by the French to the Algerians
1) Please do not use the word "the" (the French people was not the French army, and the French massacrors were not the French army).
2) This massacres are not forgotten, and since some years, there exist a little "genocide fanfare" about this, with some pro-Armenian activists. It’s not a surprise, because Soviet propaganda used the atrocities of Algerian war like the events of 1915-1916 and like the Vietnam war.
3) If there are forgotten massacres in Algeria, there are the massacres by the FLN, against French civilans and against moderate separatists (MNA) during the Algerian war (1954-1962); and by the Algerian bands during the XIXth century (until Abd-el-Kader, this bands taked no prisonners: all ennemy captured was killed).

Suggestion of reading to the French-speakers: Daniel Lefeuvre, Pour en finir avec la repentance coloniale, Paris, Flammarion, 2006, new edition, 2008. The commonalities and even the common activists (like Gilles Manceron) between the genocide fanfare and the "algerian fanfare" are very intersting.

We always thought that Armenians not opening their archives has something to do with, something they are hiding,and yes they were the ones strated kiling the Turks first with rebel group called Thaslanaklar,they find Ottoman empire weak after the frist WW and sided with Russians to gain their own province and simply started killing their neighbors ,which they have lived with (Turks)for 100’s of years and now, after seen Jews getting bunch of money (rightfully so )from Germans and Swiss,they wanted to do the same forthemselves by crying foul, and spreading this BIG LIE, unfortunately many countries bought this LIE,or wanted to use it as a political leverage aginst Turks, and saga goes on,dude It is a Big lie,and maybe 100,000 died in the jeurney to Syria,l am sure it was not good but in war anything can happen,thats why we should not have wars,right?

Lucrece; without blasting France, it has to be pointed out that the French army committed some horrible crimes in its colonies. That’s well known, and well documented.
I did say the opposite. I have not forgotten the massacres of Sétif and Guelma, the enfumades of General Bugeaud, the Indochinian atrocities, etc."If France can remain in Indochina only with cutting heads and maintaining a regime of terror and force, it is better we go. (Si la France ne peut rester en Indochine qu’en y coupant des têtes et en y maintenant un régime de terreur et de force, il vaut mieux nous en aller.)" (Marius Moutet, socialist deputy, 1930).
I said that some so-called scholars had used of false arguments and false statistics about this sad events. The conquest war of Algeria was bloody and barbarious, but it was never an attempt of extermination of Algerians, and the atrocities were never committed by one side. The same comments could be made for the war of 1954-1962, all the more since this conflict reached never the level of violence (in both sides) of the nineteenth century.

My point is: Because the International community is only zooming into the events of 1915 and describing it as "genocide", the Armenian Diaspora is using this to their advantage. They are claiming that everybody is on their side. However, the reality is all nations whether European, Ottoman, American, Chinese, Japanese etc have a shady past. Including the Armenians themselves. I am directing my comments to "dussadier" and his like minded colleagues. They are getting a free ride on the European/USA "sympathy" for too long. This needs to be addressed as well. This one sided view needs to be disassembled. I am sorry but the French (government) are the worst of the bunch… and Lucrece, I am not excited I can assure you….. 

Yet again thanks to Mr Van Der Galien previously of the Gallien gazette. A biast article with regard to the Armenian Genocie issue. Mr Gallien who freely admits his love for Turkey, seems to have not grown up yet, how old are you now Mr. Gallien all of 24. How sad that you are still trying to brainwash (like the Turkish Nationalists) readers to your point of view. There is ample information on the Genocide. One thing you never have answered is why was 90% of the Christian assyrian population killed – what threat did they pose to the Young Turks? Genocide is Genocide there are no mitigating circumstances. Historians have discused the issue and like the Chairman of the Institute of Turkish Studies (who ws forced to resign by the Turkish governent) have concluded it was Genocide – Turkey and Mr. Gallien should grow up accept it and move on.

Victor, what does age have anything to do with this conversation? Are you telling me the Armenian youth younger then 24 do not know anything? Because you seem to think that age is some criteria for knowledge… If so… GREAT! I think just like you do…!  The younger generation of the Armenian diaspora is brainwashed and have no clue of their history and culture… 

I have forgotten this Western source about Armenian atrocities:

http://louisville.edu/a-s/history/turks/Niles_and_Sutherland.pdf

This post is my post, monsieur 24avril1915, alias Imprescriptible. Je vous ai reconnu, votre style est reconnaissable entre mille (et votre anglais, encore pire que le mien).

J’ai toujours eu une préférence pour 24avril1915, ce doit être ma formation d’historien qui me fait apprécier instinctivement les dates, même manipulées.Je n’ai aucun mérite, votre style est aussi reconnaissable que… le mien.Si vous voulez me remercier, je vous prie, ne vous gênez surtout pas. Si vous voulez m’envoyer des fleurs, en prime, dites-le. Sans explosifs, par contre, les fleurs, parce que ça gâche les bouquets, à mon avis.
Je suggère nous arrêter là, parce que notre aubergiste (Michael van der Galiën) risque de ne pas apprécier ce dialogue franco-français.

This issue has nothing to do with the age of Michael van der Galien, nor with the name change of this blog, nor with his love for Turkey. Furthermore, efforts to expose the Lies of Armenian Propagandists do not constitute “brainwashing”. Such comments only demonstrate desperation, immaturity, and weakness on the part of the accuser. They are often deleted and should be in my view as they constitute an abuse of this forum. As I understand, this forum is not for leveling childish insults at the author. If you have something to contribute here you are most welcome to do it and you are especially welcome if you feel that your argument disproves the author’s arguments. But individuals who just want to throw insults at the authors and/or moderators should be blocked in my view. Serious issues are being discussed here – issues that affect the lives of millions of people everyday around the world.  We constantly see this behavior from Armenian Propagandists of ad-hominem attacks on their ideological opponents; it should not be tolerated, in my view. 

this  act   of     political  prostitution consist in dnying armenian genocide which  constitute a shame on the notoriety of the organization(OCSE).Turkey try to manipulate public opinion or by paying  high salary   to   so-called historians -lewis,mc charty or n.stone.Lost time-lost money.Evrybody nows that holocaust of the armenians   has taken place during 1915  in Anatolia and Western Armenia situated now in turkey.The word holocaust has been used for the first time in the case of Armenia in 1896 by american newspapers such  New York time and others during the massacres  of  Sasun’s Armenians under Abdul hamid reign- called (red sultan).Occupation and islamisation of Western Armenia resulted  in 1915 genocide  ( with cultural genocide) more than 3000 armenian churches destroyed by muslims turks or kurds which constitute crime against humanity.So that dishonest resolution has much more to do with geopolitical considerations  of Turkey  than with historical reality of Armenian genocide.In one case  armenian-turkish commision can meet when turks recognize the genocide , financial compensation,and the return of Western Armenia "which is under turkish occupation" to armenian people.The turks live in a world of dream it’s hard to wake up of sweet dream when they will be obliged  by Taner Akcam a turkish historian who teach armenian genocide  in USA and canada it will be harder than now.

Nota: AGBU is a branch of Ramkavar Party (conservative nationalists).

http://www15.dht.dk/~2westh/rigafm.html

François Rigaux Awarded AGBU Garbis Papazian Prize

Brussels, Feb. 13 (ANN/Groong) – The AGBU presented its 1999 Garbis Papazian prize to eminent jurist and scholar François Rigaux on Saturday, in a ceremony at the Brussels Conrad Hotel.

The Garbis Papazian prize, whose previous recipients include Baroness Caroline Cox, Dr. Tessa Hoffmann and Dr. Yves Ternon, is awarded yearly to individuals who have made a remarkable contribution to Armenian causes of all kinds. Prof. Rigaux, who teaches law at the Catholic University of Louvain-la-Neuve, presided over the Permanent People’s Tribunal when it recognised the Armenian Genocide as one of this century’s first major crimes against humanity, in April 1984. Composed of 13 prominent intellectuals, scientists and jurists (among whom several Nobel-prize recipients), the Tribunal condemned the Young Turkish government of 1915 for having masterminded the extermination of Turkey’s Armenian minority. It called upon the contemporary Republic of Turkey to assume full responsibility for the actions of its predecessor state.

Mr. Viguen Tchitechian, Armenia’s ambassador to Belgium, and Mr. Edouard Jakhian, member of the AGBU Central Board, thanked Prof. Rigaux on behalf of the Armenians, for his unrelenting dedication to historical justice. The prize was subsequently presented jointly by Mrs. Louise Manoogian-Simone, Chairwoman of the AGBU, and Mr. Garbis Papazian. Prof. Rigaux expressed his gratitude at having been awarded the prize, calling upon the Armenians to continue their quest for recognition as a major contribution to international equity. A congratulatory letter from His Holiness Karekin I, Catholicos of All Armenians, was finally read by His Eminence Archbishop Kud Nakashian of Paris.

The Turkish claims for massacres committed by the Armenian rebillions is only mentioned in the Ottoman archives  to justify the war crimes committed by the Turks during WWI. Most of biased readers here think that the killing of the Armenians started in 1915 after the Armenians decided to join the Russians during the war. Wrong! the reality is that the killing of the Armenians and other ethnic Christians started decades before that during the era of Sulatn Abdul Hamid.  For all the Turks writing on this page, you should not defend the crimes that your grandfathers did 100 years ago. But, read the history rationally just like the Germans read their modern history without sympathy to Hitler. If the Turks want to be part of Europe, they should bravely face their past and reconcile with their own nation (Kurds and others) and neighbours. The Ottoman mentality does not help the Turks to gain respect.

Bigger the LIE and more often been said you belive it, Armenians are a Big liars,since they are christians sorth of speak west chose to go with it
IT IS THE BIGGEST LIE OF OUR MODERN HISTORY,There was NO so Called Genocide thats why Armenians would not open their books,there is no trial without evidence ,and get over it and stop making cliams to Turkish land,it would be disester for Armenians,and just 15 years ago Armenians Massacered 1000’s of Azeri people,it was condem by United Nations,just 15 years ago,Armenians are good of masscering women and children who are defensless ,which they done to Turks in 1914

I Agree with Alexander and Matthew and whole hardedly with Lucrece.
There was killing and first Armenians strated the killing women and children while their dads and uncles were in the front fighting the war with British-Greeks_French and Italians
there were no strong man to protect the Turks from this Armenian murderers,terrorists who burned muslim people in their Musques,
Armenians formed their unity by hating the Turks,it is the only thing unites them,passing this hatred to their young kids,what a shame for a such a great people with good history of art and sience
they are making their  kids hate reather than love
shame on them,I been in Turkey and l studied their history they are no worse than any other including, ours, here in USA

The Turkish claims for massacres committed by the Armenian rebillions is only mentioned in the Ottoman archives  to justify the war crimes committed by the Turks during WWI.
1) Assert that Ottoman documents were written for jusitfy crimes is a logical aberration.

2) Many Russian and Western sources corroborate a part of the Ottoman sources. Turcs et Arméniens devant l’histoire and Documents relatifs aux atrocités commises par les Arméniens sur la population musulmane include Russian documents. Turkish historian Azmi Süslü has compiled and translated many Russian documents: Russian View on the Armenian Atrocities Against the Turks, Ankara, 1991. I have indicated the link for the Niles-Sutherland report. A quotation of this important source:

"In the entire region from Bitlis through Van to Bayezit, we were informed that the damage and destruction had been done by the Armenians, who, after the Russians retired, remained in occupation of the country and who, when the Turkish army advanced, destroyed everything belonging to the Musulmans. Moreover, the Armenians are accused of having committed murder, rape, arson and horrible atrocities of every description upon the Musulman population. At first, we were most incredulous of these stories, but we finally came to believe them, since the testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by material evidence. For instance, the only quarters left at all intact in the cities of Bitlis and Van are Armenian quarters… while the Musulman quarters were completely destroyed."

The reports of American major James G. Harbord and of the British major E. W. C. Nobel (quoted in Guenter Lewy’s book, pp. 118-119) conclude that the was no particular differences between the Muslims atrocities against Armenians and the Armenian atrocities against Muslims. Harold Armstron, British military attaché in Istanbul has the same conclusion in his book Turkey in Travail: The Birth of a Nation, London, John Lane/Bodlay Head, 1925, p. 223.

Wrong! the reality is that the killing of the Armenians and other ethnic Christians started decades before that during the era of Sulatn Abdul Hamid. 
The Armenian rebellions, terrorist acts and other crimes began in 1862, with the Zeytun rebellion, as explain very good the Armenian-American historian Louise Nalbandian (RIP) in The Armenian Revolutionary Movement, Berkeley/Los Angeles, University of California Press, 1963. Ms. Nalbandian clarifies that this violent acts are not just "self-defense", but, at least for a part, agressive acts and provocations.

The Armenians claim that the ‘international scholars of genocide’ support the Armenian thesis, so whoever disagrees with ‘the occurrence of a so-called Armenian genocide’ is unreliable and is definitely hired by the Turkish government. I think, only the following two examples are enough to display the scientific and ethical reliability of the ‘independent’ scholars who support the Armenians in their various thesis: The cover photograph of the book of Tessa Hoffmann:  The Greek German scholar Tessa Hoffmann who supports the Armenian thesis  printed the painting of  Russian artist Vasili Vereshchagin entitled ‘The Apotheosis of the Franco-Prussia War of 1871, depicting a mass of skulls which is displayed in Russian Painting Gallery,  as if it were the photograph of 1915 Armenian genocide, in the cover of a pamphlet used to introduce a conference entitled ‘Der Volkermord and den Armenien vor Gericht (The Armenian Genocide on Trial). Tessa Hoffman had to admit her forgery during the trial of  Doğu Perinçek held in Switzerland in March 2007,  in which he was listened as a wittness.  Atatürk’s photograph: The large poster with ‘FACE OF DENIAL-DOES NOT LIE’ related to a conference given by Dr Vahram Shemmasian, Ardashes Kassakhian and Dr Levon Marashlian, at UCLA on April 14, 2005, organized by Armenian Genocide Commemoration Committee of Alpha Epsilon Omega, (http://www.genocideevents.com/cities/losangeles.html) was just a scandal:The photo depicted the founder of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk, sitting on a chair outside a house with the corpse of a young girl with her innards exposed to the elements. Soon, the original of this photo was found by the Turks: It was a photograph of Ataturk for his wife Latife Hanım as a souvenir, posing with some ‘cute dog puppies’ at his feet. Two photos were printed in the July 1, 2005 issue of Hurriyet (http://webarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/2005/07/01/665930.asp), as ‘a forgery scandal’. It is another outstanding point that no dissenting comment was ever heard. What UCLA’s ethical committee did was to erase the handwritten note and doctor a photo of Armin Wengler in place of the puppies. This degree of base falsification and slandering must have suited the present status of UCLA, an institution of higher learning dominated by Armenophile scholars, and where Prof Stanford Shaw’s  home was bombed in 1977,  just because he did not support the Armenian thesis.

Even those who ( historans)  are being paid by Turkish governement admits the reality  of genocide.In the  case of dr Donald  Quartet who has been obliged to resign from the chair of turkish studies in 2006 in USA.He was the honorary president of the institute of turkish studies  financed by Turkish governement. After 15 years of study he arrived at the conclusion that massacres of armenians constitute a genocide case.This  honnest    position of Dr Quartet provoked the anger of denylist turkish state which forced Dr Quartet to resign.The new generation of turkish historians such Taner Akcam Fatma Gocek or Halil Berktay who recognize Armenian genocide are well  placed to teach to their compatriots the historical truth and to help them to face the  reality.Armenian-turkish joint commision could only define  financial and  terittorial loses of armenian people.

l:The photo depicted the founder of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk, sitting on a chair outside a house with the corpse of a young girl with her innards exposed to the elements.

Um, the diasporan Armenians juxtaposed those images to show the modern day Turkish indifference to the subject of the Armenian Genocide; I’m rather dumbfounded why you Turks would actually think that photo meant that Ataturk was somehow involved in the massacres of 1915 when everyone knows he was still commanding troops in the Dardanelles.

Talk about a non-victory, you guys actually bothered to "unmask" a poster that clearly had billed itself as a work of a Photoshop? - lol, I can now see why Turks are so afraid of the Armenian Diaspora.

those who are taking part to  that discussion are mainly denylist sites guided   by   turkish state.So we can ask some questions about the existence of such newspaper which so-called keep balance between denyers and historical truth.By doing that it  spreads misinformation about the historical truth of Genocide.Under the disguise of "opinions"if it does not promote policy of negation of Turkish state.

Now I want to ask Armenia and Armenian diaspora: ‘If all the scholars of the world, including the international scholars of genocide, support your thesis of genocide,and if you are very disturbed because of vehement reject of your genocide thesis by the Turkish government and the Turks, then: Why do you vehemently reject to bring your evidences in historical commissions made up of Armenian and Turkish historians in addition to historians from  third countries, as it was suggested to Armenia by the Turkish prime minister in 2005?Why do you not go to court?  Why HAVE YOU SPENT EFFORT TO FALSIFY ALL THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS? WHY HAVE YOU NEEDED LIES? Here are a few examples of the forgeries and falfified documents on which the Armenian thesis depend: 1)The number of Armenians who were relocated: The number of the Armenians who were relocated was reported as 600-700 thousand by Boğos Nubar Pasha who attended to the talks of Sevres Treaty as a chief of Armenians; however the number of relocated Armenians is given as 1.5 million by some Armenian sources and 2 and even 2.5 million by some others. However, the total number of Ottoman Armenians including those  who live in the West Anatolia (therefore who were not relocated) was reported as 1.5 million in Encyclopedia Britannica’s 1910 edition which was edited by an English editor. It is another striking point that the total number of Ottoman Armenians was increased to 2.5 million in 1953 edition of the same encyclopedia which was edited by an Armenian editor. 
2) Aram Andonian’s book (The telegrams which were claimed to have been sent by Talat Pasha to order the massacre of the Armenians which were pressed in the book of Aram Andonian in 1920, in three languages): It was proven by both the Turkish and foreign historians that these telegrams were fake too.After these telegrams were published in Daily Telegraph in England, in 1922, the English Foreign Ministry made a scrutiny and denounced that they were prepared by an Armenian association.  
3)Diary of American Ambassador Morgenthau published in 1918. Professor Heath Lowry, an American historian from Princeton University displayed that the events depicted in the book depended on lies or half true events, by comparing the information Ambassador Morgenthau sent to American Foreign Ministry, with those written in the diary, in his book entitled ‘The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, in 1990. 
What’s more, after the Ottoman State was defeated in the 1st World War in 1918, the French and English invaders arrested 144 high level Ottoman veteran or civil officials including the ex-prime ministers, ex-deputies, governors and many newspapermen, and banished them to Malta Island, claiming that they were  responsibles for the death of Armenians. The English seized all the Ottoman Archives and also all other archives in other cities, like those in Urfa Governer House. No evidence could be found neither in the Ottoman and English Archives. The Americans, whom the English applied, failed to find any proof in American Archives and reports of American Orthodox church or missioners either. Nor could Damat Ferit Pasha, then the Ottoman Prime Minister who was in absolute collaboration with the English could find any evidence. And, they had to make all these 144 Ottomans free in 1921, since they could not find any proof to be able to verdict them. Can you imagine a genocide planned by a government but no kind of proof can be found, even when the members of this government have been taken prisoners and when all her archieves are under control of the invaders and under the directory of an Armenian official? If The Blue Book, the telegrams of Aram Andonian and the diary of Ambassador Morgenthau (which had already been published at that time) were reliable proofs, why did the English and French invaders and the Americans not accept them to give verdicts of those 144 Ottoman officials? 
Additionally, during the trial in Berlin of the Armenian assassin Soghomon Tehlirian, who had murdered Talat Pasha in Berlin on March 15th, 1921, none of the Andonian documents was allowed to be entered into the court proceedings as evidence (Dashnakists’ book Justicier du Genocide, 1981, p.213).  4)The cover photograph of the book of Tessa Hoffmann: see comment 50 5)Atatürk’s photograph: see comment 50 ………………

I don’t get it, all you guys have to do is buy a book on the Armenian Genocide, flip to the references section, and read all the sources that have been pulled out of the Russian, American, German, British, French, Swedish, Swiss, and Danish archives, containing thousands of documents and accounts by foreigners who describe the deliberate destruction of the Armenian Genocide. ?The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau?s Story? Turks must understand that Lowery does not dispute Morgenthau’s cables to the State Dept. detailing the massacres of the genocide. What he disputes is Morgenthau’s description of notable individuals and the Turkish people as a whole. His book does not refute anything Morgenthau says although I have to say, the title of the book is clever and sows confusion to unsuspecting readers at a first glance. Furthermore, the canard of the British not having any evidence is to prosecute the Turks they held at Malta is complete nonsense and utter tosh. The British had the evidence although the deteriorating situation in Anatolia thanks to Kemal’s rebellion and the fact that Kemal’s forces had kidnapped notable British officers and a member of the princely family meant those 144 individuals were exchanged for their safety. This is so idiotically repetative, I’ll refrain from posting and stop correcting all your mistakes and distortions all the time.

 It is not surprising that no Armenian touches at why they vehemently reject to bring their  evidences in historical commissions made up of Armenian and Turkish historians in addition to historians from  third countries (as it was suggested to Armenia by the Turkish prime minister in 2005), why they do not go to court and why they falsified documents and depend on lies; if all the scholars of the world, including the international scholars of genocide, support their thesis of genocide and and if they are very disturbed because of vehement reject of your genocide thesis by the Turkish government and the Turks.   And here is the rest of the forgeries the Armenian thesis depend (for 1-5 see comments 58):  

6) A quote attributed to Adolf Hitler in which he purportedly responded to a query about his planned annihilation of European Jewry, by quipping: ?Who, after all, speaks today of the extermination of the Armenians, on August 22, 1939, a few days prior to his invasion of Poland (Obersalzberg speeches).
Contrary to Richard Hovannisian and other Armenians, the Nuremberg transcripts through their preservation of U.S.-29 (798-PS), U.S.-30 (1014-PS), and the notes of Admiral Boehm (which are corroborated by the relevant passages from the diary of General Halder), in no way authenticate the infamous Hitler quote. On the contrary, by establishing the actual texts of Hitler s Obersalzberg speeches they demonstrate that the statement is conspicuously absent from Hitler s remarks. The assertion that Hitler made a reference to the Armenians in any context whatsoever is without foundation. (Heath W Lowry, The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians, Political Communication and Persuasion. Vol 3, No 2, 1985 Crane, Russak & Company Inc. http://www.tetedeturc.com/home/spip.php?article565According to the Armenians the speech had been introduced as evidence to the Nuremberg Tribunal (L3 document, USA-28 document (www/cwporter/com/gl3.htm.) which was defined as forgery (David Irving, ?Nuremberg: The Last Battle?, 1996, p.100). A certificate dated, 25 June 1948 signed by Paul A Joosten, General Secretary of the International Military Tribunal states that L3, USA-28 Photostat document submitted as evidence has been withdrawn, in accordance with Rule 10 of the Tribunal but held in the National Archives. Mr Carlos Porter, who found these documents made the following important warning: Note: This translation attempts to retain the style and punctuation of the original, which is not correct in German: full space before colons and commas, no full space before following word. The document contains not one single sharp S (§ ) a standard letter in the German alphabet. C.Porter.

7) The most dramatic lie is about the outcome of the Armenians who were relocated. Because the majority of these Armenians returned to their homes.
Because, on December 18, 1918, a law which let the Armenians return to their homes and claim their properties was issued by the Ottoman State. Here are non-Ottoman evidences:

*In a report prepared by the Armenian Patriarchate in 1921, the Armenians who lived on the Ottoman territory in Anatolia, Middle East and those who returned to their previous locations were shown as 644 900. It was added that the Armenians who became Muslim, who were hidden and who did not encourage to return their homes were not included but they were assumed to be 20 000 (US ARCHIVES NARA, Mikrofilm No.T1192, Roll8; Department of State Papers 860).
 
* In a report presented by the English Black Sea Forces Intelligence Department to the War Cabinet, it was reported that the Armenian population in Anatolia including Istanbul and Edirne was 773 430 in 1914 and it was 658 900 in 1919, excluding that of Erzurum (UK ARCHIVES, WO 158/933, No:5796,1,s.3).  

The Armenians who returned to their homes joined to Entente Powers and fought against the Turks/Muslims: *A decision made by The American Committee for the Independence of Armenia which was presented to the Lausanne Conference on January 16, 1923: As the minister Bellet declared, the Armenian legionelles joined to France after being promised that autonomy would be introduced to Cilicia; so they occupied Cilicia in 1918 (carrying the flag of France) . (US ARCHIVES NARA T1192. Roll 4. 860J.01/562).

*The report of Pallavici, Istanbul ambassador of  Austria-Hungary, sent to Ottokor Grafen Czernin on February 9, 1918: The Armenian bands  who fought nearby the Russian armies in Caucausia, misbehaved the Turkish people and Turks in Platana (district between Erzincan and Trabzon) were mass killed? (German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, No: 13/P.B, Konstantinopel. Wien).

*A news from Norddeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, dated February 14, 1918: The Armenian bands  have been misbehaving Ottoman people barbarously and brutally in districts where the Russian retreated in Caucasia (German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, Der Weltkrieg R. 20145, Bd.279; Norddeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, 14-02-1918).

The fact that there is a "debate" here about a historical fact is exactly what the Turkish Foreign Ministry is hoping to accomplish by funding blogs like this.
Wise up people, put your energy in a blog that truly nurtures healthy debate rather than promote an hidden agenda.

my two cents

Freakshow,

Genocide is the greatest crime of humanity and International Court of Justice or domestic courts are the only authorities reserved to prosecute and proclaim genocide according to the 1948 UN Convention. As you see, there is no citation of international scholars of genocide. So, what you should do first is to apply to international courts and then let these international scholars of genocide or other scholars who support your thesis be listened there. [It is also striking that Tessa Hoffmann who is one of the international scholars of genocide, was listened as a witness, in the trial of Dogu Perincek in Switzerland in March 2007 and she had to admit that  she printed the painting of  Russian artist Vasili Vereshchagin entitled ‘The Apotheosis of the Franco-Prussia War of 1871, depicting a mass of skulls which is displayed in Russian Painting Gallery,  as if it were the photograph of 1915 Armenian genocide, in the cover of a pamphlet used to introduce a conference entitled ‘Der Volkermord and den Armenien vor Gericht  (The Armenian Genocide on Trial). Thus, as an international scholar of genocide she admitted her forgery, herself] http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/scholars.htm So, it is still hard to understand why the Armenians and INTERNATIONAL SCHOLARS OF GENOCIDE spent effort to falsify documents, like the aforementioned forgeries? 

That should read:

Do you want Armenians and Turks to debate this or Armenians to prosecute their claims against Turkey in court?

Facts and propositions of generalized knowledge that are so
universally known that they cannot reasonably be the subject of
dispute.

A court can take judicial notice of general knowledge so universally known that they can’t resonably be disputed.

A court may also take judicial notice of commonly known facts with the court’s territorial jurisdication that can’t be reasonably disputed.

And it may also take notice of such facts that can’t be reasonably disputed and which are capable of an immediate and accurate determination by sources of reasonably indisputable accuracy.   

Haha, funny, Turkey loses the debate in public opinion and in court.

Lie told 100 times equals The Truth.that’s the Turkish culture of telling the history.-   International mass media was misinformed by the Turkish propaganda machine.OSCE PA  resolution mentions neither Armenia nor Armenian Genocide.The OSCE PA committee focused on the problems of transparency.In particular the committe on human rights and democrasy cosidered normalization of relations between the organization’s member.The author of the resolution is a Czech but not a Turkish parliamentarian.In contrast to the Turkish claims, Article 60 of OSCE communique stressed the importance of reconciliation of each nation with its "past in an open and public process," meaning Turkey should come to terms with its crimes against humanity( the mass killing of Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians,Pontians, and Kurds)In a further blow to Turkish governement’s "historians commission" proposal "to study the Armenian Genocide," the OSCE(page45,article12) said the organization "strongly encourages all parliaments to adopt acts regarding recognition of the (Ukranian Famine)Holodomor,"thus coming to the conclusion that history should not be left  only to historians, and that parliments should adopt resolutions/acts recognising such crimes against humanity,"the statement says.Once again the Turkish government is stretching  the truth and is distributing  false news .in its  desperate and futile denial policy of the Armenian Genocide.As regards the painting of Vasili Verashagin which describes human skulls and crossbones it’s a allegory of human  savagery.The real photos taken by Armin Wegner  who was german officer in Ottoman Turkey  in 1915 has been the witness of exterminations of childrens of womens and elder peoples during the deportations and within the concentrations camps    in Syrian desert.In spite of German and Turkish military censorship Wegner was able in secret to take photos during the Genocide of 1915.Hunderds of photos and notices made  by  Armin Wegner      are now at the disposal of   the  historians  or who  are interested by the truth.                   

The Armenian genocide is a historical fact that is indisputable.
No, the so-called "Armenian genocide" is a lie.

"I am less than impressed by the unanimous vote of the International Association of Genocide Scholars that the Armenian case ‘was one of the major genocides of the modern era.’ The great majority of these self-proclaimed experts on Ottoman history have never set foot in an archive or done any other original research on the subject in question. […]
Distinguished scholars of Ottoman history like Roderic Davison, J.C. Hurewitz, Bernard Lewis, and Andrew Mango have rejected the appropriateness of the genocide label for those occurrences. Yet, ignoring this formidable array of learned opinion, Armenians and their supporters among so-called genocide scholars continue to assert with superb arrogance that the Armenian genocide is incontrovertible fact and ‘established history’ that can be denied only by lackeys of the Turkish government or morally obtuse individuals. Unless and until there is a change in this attitude, I see little hope for ending this almost century-old conflict."
Guenter Lewy, professor emeritus at Massachussetts University: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/genocide–11140?page=all

"The home of the late Professor Stanford Shaw of the University of California-Los Angeles was firebombed in retaliation for his academic courage in disputing the Armenian genocide claim. Like Benito Mussolini, Armenians believe truth is an assertion at the head of a figurative bayonet.  In parts of Europe, disbelief in the Armenian genocide allegation is a crime on par with Holocaust denial. But the Holocaust was proven before the Nuremburg Tribunal with the trappings of due process. Armenians, in contrast, have forgone bringing their genocide allegation before the International Court of Justice because it is unsupported by historical facts. In contrast to open Ottoman archives, significant Armenian archives remain closed to conceal evidence of Armenian terrorism and massacres. If the resolution’s proponents had done their homework and put aside religious bigotry, they would have reached the same conclusion as author and Professor Bernard Lewis of Princeton University: ‘[T]he point that was being made was that the massacre of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was the same as what happened to Jews in Nazi Germany and that is a downright falsehood. What happened to the Armenians was the result of a massive Armenian armed rebellion against the Turks, which began even before war broke out, and continued on a larger scale.’ Brian Ardouny of the Armenian Assembly of America in a videotaped interview for a documentary on the Armenian Revolt clucked: ‘We don’t need to prove the genocide historically, because it has already been accepted politically.’ "Bruce Fein, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/16/armenian-crime-amnesia/

First of all Bernard Lewis has been condemned by French   court for denying the Genocide in 1995.So giving the example of a denyer as someone  who   so-called   "established" non-existence of armenian Genocide proves your ignorance or your naivety.In the first edition of his study  in 1961  (The  Emergence of Modern Turkey) Bernard Lewy calls  a Holocaust the genocide of 1915  in wich died one and half millions  Armenians he said.In the second edition also which has been transleted into  Hebrew.So why did   he   change his  position about the Armenian Genocide.To that  question the answer came from 2 Israelian historians  who written an article in Haaretz 0n 5 septembre 1997.Israel Gershoni and Shlomo Zand explained that "it’s the  general   tendancy of sionist historians keeping hegemonia in  the israelian  culture.The unicity of the Shoah became the goal of a policy wich is destineted to isolete and to neutrlize all similar crimes in order  to preserve  the jewish as being  the unique victime of Genocide in 20 century.It’s  an absurd attitude and  anti-historique".The Israelians historians concluded.Bernard Lewys is an American of Jewish origin. 

ANCC, ANCA, the Dashnaks and all Armenian terrorist organizations like ASALA, JCAG, etc. can keep screaming genocide until they go deaf, blind and dumb.

That will never change the fact that Ottoman Armenians were incited to violence against the Ottoman Empire by the British and Russia, who used Armenians to achieve their own objectives.

Nor will it ever change the fact that the relocation of Ottoman Armenians out of the vicinity of the front against the invading Russian army was a valid national security measure to put an end to Armenian sabotage of  Ottoman military efforts to defend the Empire.

Rather than taking responsibility for their leadership’s catastrophic failures (grossly over-estimating Armenian military might, support by Russia, Britain and France for the Armenian cause,  and grossly under-estimating Ottoman military strength and the resolve of Ottoman’s to fight for their homeland), Armenians now call the failure armed insurrection genocide.

Some learn from their mistakes, and then, there are Armenian genocide proponents…

I know, I know, still not as credible as Guenter… Lastly, how about Lemkin himself, a jurist, the father of the Genocide Convention and the man who coined the term "genocide". He fought to bring to justice the perpetrators of "acts of barbarity (acts of extermination)  and vandalism (destruction of the culture and works of art)".  His motivation  to pursue this work for 3 decades was based on his moral outrage of these acts of barbarity the Ottomans inflicted on the Armenians (and, later, the Assyrians by Irakies and the Jews, of course, in WW2): "Raphael Lemkin then explains to the moderator how his interest in genocide began: “I became interested in genocide because it happened to the Armenians; and after[wards] the Armenians got a very rough deal at the Versailles Conference because their criminals were guilty of genocide and were not punished. You know that they [the Ottoman Turks] were organized in a terroristic organization which took justice into its own hands. The trial of Talaat Pasha in 1921 in Berlin is very instructive. A man (Soghomon Tehlirian), whose mother was killed in the genocide, killed Talaat Pasha. And he told the court that he did it because his mother came in his sleep … many times. Here, …the murder of your mother, you would do something about it! So he committed a crime. So, you see, as a lawyer, I thought that a crime should not be punished by the victims, but should be punished by a court, by a national law.” (CBS tv interview – 1949) Still not good enough, I presume, that the person who invented the term genocide based  his work  and dedicated his life to Justice because of his complete disgust of the massacres of the Armenians.

Lucrèce, tu n’est pas sérieux de citer Guenter Lewy, franchement, tu discrédite le International Association of Genocide Scholars et tu réfères à Lewy???
On a gardé les vaches ensemble, pour que vous vous croyiez autorisé(e) à me tutoyer ?

How about "126 Holocaust Scholars Affirm the Incontestable Fact of the Armenian Genocide" right here
To be a specialist of the Shoah is not enough for be autority in Ottoman history. All this 126 scholars have never set foot in an archive about the Ottoman history, and never produce one publication about this subject. Have they even read one book of Bernard Lewis, Justin McCarthy, Stanford Jay Shaw, Robert Mantran, Malcolm E. Yapp or Jeremy Salt? I am not sure.
The most funny is that some of this scholars, including Raul Hilberg, praise Guenter Lewy for his book The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies.

About the murderer Tehlirian:

http://www.eraren.org/index.php?Lisan=en&Page=DergiIcerik&IcerikNo=113