The Withdrawal Game Conceded

July 26th, 2008 By: Michael Merritt | Tags:

You know, you go to the hospital for a colonoscopy yesterday, and you fall out of the loop on everything.

It’s certainly been an interesting time to be following politics, particularly on what to do in Iraq now that the surge has ended.  For several months, and indeed, for a long time before the surge began (whichever definition you subscribe to), John McCain has always maintained that setting a withdrawal deadline would be dangerous, and only embolden America’s enemies, who are surely waiting in the shadows for us to leave.  Barack Obama, meanwhile, says the troops should leave within 16 months of his becoming president.  He seems to have gotten some support on this plan from the Prime Minister of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki.  You can see the volleyball game that went on last week here.

Well, it seems like the two plans have finally converged.

Via MSNBC (with a CNN interview), McCain was speaking with Wolf Blitzer yesterday.  Blitzer was asking him what would happen if Maliki and the Iraqi government insisted that the troops leave.  Although McCain insisted he won’t, because “…I know him very well.”  However, when Blitzer persisted, using Maliki’s support of 16 months, McCain seemed to suggest he also supported it:

BLITZER: So why do you think he said that 16 months is basically a pretty good timetable?
MCCAIN: He said it’s a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground. I think it’s a pretty good timetable, as we should — or horizons for withdrawal. But they have to be based on conditions on the ground.

This wouldn’t be the first time he or his campaign suggested looking into a timetable might not be a bad idea.  A couple weeks ago, while the first round of this whole game was being played between Iraq and the U.S. on whether or not they supported a timetable, McCain’s top foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann said he’s not against timetables:

Senator McCain has always said that conditions on the ground — including the security threats posed by extremists and terrorists, and the ability of Iraqi forces to meet those threats — would be key determinants in U.S. force levels.

I think that after his return from overseas and visit with Gen. David Petraeus, we’ll start to hear some more rhetoric from Obama on any timetable following conditions on the ground.  However, as I stated in “The Withdrawal Game,” McCain has consistently had the lead on the “what-if” factor, where Obama has not.  I also don’t think making new plans should conditions change is a bad thing.

However, the problem for McCain is that should the “what-if” factor not apply, he’s essentially just lost his last key argument on the future of Iraq’s occupation.  It’s not been entirely unexpected, however.  I know others have made mention of this as well, but I follow Andrew Sullivan most, who’s been predicting such a convergence of viewpoints for months, and most recently made a prediction that the differences between their plans will be next to nothing by November.

So, what do McCain and Obama debate now?  McCain can try to say Obama is going to withdrawal no matter what the conditions on the ground are, but I think that’s distorting Obama’s true position, which he outlined an interview with Katie Couric a few days ago:

OBAMA: I will always listen to the commanders on the ground. And I will make an assessment based on the facts at that time. As I’ve said before … I am not interested in a false choice between either perfect inflexibility in which the next 16 months or the next two years I ignore anything that’s happening in Iraq. Or, alternatively, that I just have an open-ended, indefinite occupation of Iraq in which we’re not putting any pressure on the Iraqis to stand up and … take this burden on. What I’m gonna do is to set a vision of where we need to go, a clear and specific timeframe within which we’re gonna pull our combat forces out. But I am gonna continue to listen to the commanders on the ground as well as others who are gonna be working on diplomatic front, are gonna be dealing with the economy of Iraq, all of which are gonna contribute to the safety and security of the Iraqi people.

As I said above, I think this position will be strengthened once Obama comes home.  McCain could also try the old “he’s flip-flopped on withdrawaling based on conditions” but this can no longer be taken seriously as Obama could accuse McCain right back on flip-flopping on a timetable, and Obama would be right.

I suppose McCain and Obama could try and debate a future for Afghanistan now, except that Obama’s had the advantage on that for some time now.  McCain initally supported sending three additional brigades, but then rescinded those plans, and now favors involving more NATO troops.  Though I suppose he could change his mind again with his new remarks on Iraq.

Finally, McCain could question Obama’s judgement by continuing to bring up the surge as inidicative of his stronger foreign policy credentials, but again, Obama could just bring up McCain’s judgement on Iraq’s future now matching his own.

No, I think we’re just about to see the end of serious debate between the two nominees on foreign policy, at least in terms of Iraq and Afghanistan.  I predict that in the coming weeks, and especially once the conventions have ended, the sparring will transition primarily to domestic issues.

They’ve already done a little bit of this, especially in terms of gas prices, oil, and alternative energies.  I think Obama is going to find he’s rather weak here, since his support of ethanol will not go unnoticed.  Unless he changes his tune on the specific source of that ethanol, he’ll find a tough time with this issue.  However, McCain, with his emphasis on drilling offshore, won’t find the debate any easier.  On the electricity generation front, McCain may find his support of nuclear energy gains widespread acceptance, but he needs to be cautious where he talks about this.  For example, nuclear energy is probably not an issue to be talking about anywhere close to Nevada, where the Yucca Mountain storage facility is a huge issue.  In the end, I don’t think either candidate can yet claim a win in this area, because both have rather short sighted views on these issues. In my opinion, either candidate would be wise to take a cue from Newt Gringrich and leave no option off the table.

Yet, other than energy, domestic issues have not been a huge part of the overall debate on differences between McCain and Obama.  They’ve made their own, separate statements on several domestic issues, but both have really been focusing on foreign policy when it’s come time to outline their differences.  I guess that’s acceptable, since the majority of voters are not yet paying attention, but the time is coming where they will need to began outlining why their domestic plans are better.

Since, in the end, with the drawaldown of the Iraq war becoming imminent, and with the economic crisis stateside, I think that’s what most people will be expecting McCain and Obama to talk about.

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  1. Jim
    July 26th, 2008 at 20:05
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    They could debate the ethics of Katie Couric (CBS) for editing John McCain’s interview to remove false statements and add information from a previous interview to make McCain look good.

    McCain complains about Obama getting more media coverage; however, McCain does not complain about the media ignoring his false statements and barely covering his association with former Senator Phil Gramm. 

    Everyone in Congress during the Enron fraud should have known Gramm and his wife took money from Enron to deregulate the banking and futures trading.

    They could debate McCain’s false statements about the safety of offshore oil drilling.

    “Not One Drop Of Oil Spilled”? Not Quite http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/19/opinion/main4275167.shtml

    Menendez: Spill, Not Weather, Caused McCain To Cancel
    http://www.wibw.com/weather/headlines/25904454.html

    “Look up ‘irony’ in the dictionary and you will find a description of this turn of events. Having to cancel your big oil drilling photo op because of a massive oil spill is like canceling a crime safety photo op because the house next door just got robbed," said Menendez."

  2. utsu
    July 26th, 2008 at 22:02
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    Obama has a better tax policy, because it is left-wing while not unrealistically so. McCain’s will be ideological to the point of being extremely costly. People have seen their tax breaks eaten up and then some by a ruptured economy.

    Not to mention that seeing as he can’t attract independents by depicting Obama as extreme on foreign policy, he won’t have much to outweigh his turn towards the christianists on the right. Independents aren’t only concerned about guns or energy, they also care about a GOP that is in line with mainstream America.

  3. Tully
    July 26th, 2008 at 22:25
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    Hey, Jim, let’s do a little math and figure out exactly how significant 17,000 barrels of spillage (the total caused by TWO major Category 5 hurricanes, Katrina AND Rita combined) is in the context of the Gulf of Mexico.

    Natural seepage from the Gulf oil pools is at least 150,000 METRIC TONS a year. A metric ton of oil is about 7.34 barrels of oil, so natural seepage in the Gulf is over 1.1 million barrels a year, or over 3000 barrels a day, each and every single day of the year.

    So 17,000-some barrels of oil spilled from the combined damages of both Katrina and Rita was the equivalent of less than six days worth of what Mother Nature does in the Gulf all by herself each and every single day of the year.

    Thanks to radically better drilling and platform technology, the biggest danger of oil spills in the last thirty or forty years comes from the oil tankers used to transport Mideast crude around the world. Move the production closer to home where it can be transferred by pipeline, and the risk of spillage declines dramatically. The more oil you produce at home, the fewer tankers coming into your waters.

    Kinda puts it in perspective, doesn’t it?

  4. Michael Merritt
    July 26th, 2008 at 22:58
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    Utsu, what turn toward Christianists on the right?  Turn to the base, perhaps (though the alignment with Obama’s timetable could be interpreted as a turn back toward the center), but he’s definitely not really done anything with religion.  At all.

    Maybe it’s because he does mostly town hall stuff, but I haven’t heard much from McCain on religion.  Obama’s been saying a lot about it, though.  Or at least, getting the press about it.

  5. utsu
    July 26th, 2008 at 23:56
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    "but he’s definitely not really done anything with religion.  At all."

    I unnecessarily used the term christianists in lieu of "far-right social conservatives". It is the latter McCain has moved towards.

    Anyway, McCain wanted to stop the GOP from ever challenging the right to abortion in case of rape or incest again, but that was before he wanted to become president and started catering to the hard social conservatives.

    He was for diplomacy with Hamas and Syria – not anymore.

    He wanted to stop indefinite detention of terrorist suspects but when SCOTUS actually agreed with this he was suddenly extremely upset.

    He said W’s wiretaps were against US legislation but not anymore.

    He was for Gay Marriage before his bid for president.

    He wanted mandatory emission cap-and-trade and now he wants it to be voluntary.

    He was for windfall taxes on oil company profits and three weeks later he was against it.

    He supported legislation for combatting global warming and then reneged.

    In 2005 he dislike tax cuts angled for the wealthiest portion of the US. In 2007 he said he only disliked the cuts because the spending was going up simultaneously.

    He was against ID in schools, then he was for it and now he’s sort of gray.

    He was for giving legal status to kids of illegal immigrants if they graduate from high school and now he is against it. I would say that is a move from the center to the right-wing in the GOP scope of things but perhaps even the GOP base is so hostile to illegal immigrants even that is to be expected from a GOP presidential candidate.

    He moved from not pledging to repeal Roe v. Wade to pledging to repeal it.

    He first kept his distance from Jerry 9/11-was-caused-by-America-not-ostracizing-satan-loving-homos Falwell and then moved closer to him.

    He was against anyone campaigning at racist Bob Jones uni and then he was OK with a candidate doing so.

    He was against working with Kissinger and now Kissinger is working for his campaign.

    Same Story with Grover Norquist.

    Be they social conservatives or just hard-righters, McCain has catered to all of them of late. It can be argued that in some instances he has just gone from being a somewhat liberal maverick towards the GOP mainstream, but in some cases he has undeniably gone for the extreme right-wing at the drop of a hat. There are actually even more flrip-flops from McCain but these are the ones I think constitute a very suspicious turn towards the loyal but demanding far-right wings. A sacrifice of both straight-talk and centrism in favor of those that always vote provided you promise sufficiently extreme legislation.

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