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	<title>Comments on: AP Poll: McCain, Obama Statistically Tied</title>
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	<description>Because Common Sense Transcends Distance</description>
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		<title>By: Alesk</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/10/22/ap-poll-mccain-obama-statistically-tied/comment-page-1/#comment-74327</link>
		<dc:creator>Alesk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corrected for clerical error ...
After reviewing the documentation for the AP-GfK poll,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
it turns out that about 44% of those participating in this AP poll identified themselves as Born Again or Evangelicals - a segment of the population that has consistently voted along conservative lines - and 44% is approximately twice the amount of the general voting population that those segments actually represent. However, many publications picked up the poll and briefly reported it as a closening of the race, without further noting the nature of the actual poling sample used. I think that was misleading, at best, and clearly does not reflect appropriate journalistic practices, nor do the poll results provide a valid basis for Republican optimism.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6408033&amp;postID=8848000563696752667&quot; title=&quot;Delete Comment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corrected for clerical error &#8230;<br />
After reviewing the documentation for the AP-GfK poll,<br />
<a href="http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf</a><br />
it turns out that about 44% of those participating in this AP poll identified themselves as Born Again or Evangelicals &#8211; a segment of the population that has consistently voted along conservative lines &#8211; and 44% is approximately twice the amount of the general voting population that those segments actually represent. However, many publications picked up the poll and briefly reported it as a closening of the race, without further noting the nature of the actual poling sample used. I think that was misleading, at best, and clearly does not reflect appropriate journalistic practices, nor do the poll results provide a valid basis for Republican optimism.<a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6408033&amp;postID=8848000563696752667" title="Delete Comment" rel="nofollow"> </a><br />
AE</p>
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		<title>By: Alesk</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/10/22/ap-poll-mccain-obama-statistically-tied/comment-page-1/#comment-74326</link>
		<dc:creator>Alesk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reviewing the documentation for the AP-GfK poll,

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf 

it turns out that about 44% of those participating in this AP poll identified themselves as Born Again or Evangelicals - a segment of the population that has consistently voted along conservative lines - and 44% is approximately twice the amount of the general voting population that those segments actually represent. However, many puplications picked up the poll and briefly reported it as a closening of the race, without further noting the nature of the actual poling sample used. I think that was misleading, at best, and clearly does not reflect approiate journalistic practices, nor do the poll results provide a valid basis for Republican optimism.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6408033&amp;postID=8848000563696752667&quot; title=&quot;Delete Comment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reviewing the documentation for the AP-GfK poll,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_3_Topline_FINAL.pdf</a> </p>
<p>it turns out that about 44% of those participating in this AP poll identified themselves as Born Again or Evangelicals &#8211; a segment of the population that has consistently voted along conservative lines &#8211; and 44% is approximately twice the amount of the general voting population that those segments actually represent. However, many puplications picked up the poll and briefly reported it as a closening of the race, without further noting the nature of the actual poling sample used. I think that was misleading, at best, and clearly does not reflect approiate journalistic practices, nor do the poll results provide a valid basis for Republican optimism.<a href="http://www.blogger.com/delete-comment.g?blogID=6408033&amp;postID=8848000563696752667" title="Delete Comment" rel="nofollow"> </a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie the Plumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie the Plumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On what empirical basis do you claim that it does not make much sense for Obama to lead by 10%? Is that just your wild guess of what America thinks? Based on what?

You dont have a clue. 
Perhaps you should consider that this poll that you trumpet, actually found a 5 pt. lead - until they ran their results thought their subjective &quot;likely voter&quot; model - one that explicitly overrides the stated intention of the person polled, as to whether they will vote, and excludes them from the result if they didnt vote on &#039;04. Which, of course, arbitrarily excludes all people who may be brought back into the voting booth by excitement for Obama - a phenomenon that surely exists to some level.

The average of all the polls remains at around a 7 pt. lead for Obama. If you are going to guess, thats the safest bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On what empirical basis do you claim that it does not make much sense for Obama to lead by 10%? Is that just your wild guess of what America thinks? Based on what?</p>
<p>You dont have a clue.<br />
Perhaps you should consider that this poll that you trumpet, actually found a 5 pt. lead &#8211; until they ran their results thought their subjective &#8220;likely voter&#8221; model &#8211; one that explicitly overrides the stated intention of the person polled, as to whether they will vote, and excludes them from the result if they didnt vote on &#8216;04. Which, of course, arbitrarily excludes all people who may be brought back into the voting booth by excitement for Obama &#8211; a phenomenon that surely exists to some level.</p>
<p>The average of all the polls remains at around a 7 pt. lead for Obama. If you are going to guess, thats the safest bet.</p>
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		<title>By: c3</title>
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		<dc:creator>c3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is Obama up by 10 or in a dead heat?


I guess the &quot;new&quot; saying would be:
&quot;There are lies, damnable lies and statistics....oh yeah and polls too!&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is Obama up by 10 or in a dead heat?</p>
<p>I guess the &#8220;new&#8221; saying would be:<br />
&#8220;There are lies, damnable lies and statistics&#8230;.oh yeah and polls too!&#8221; </p>
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