How NOT to Oppose Prop 8
For the record, I oppose California’s proposition 8, which would make gay marriage illegal. I also understand it’s not much of my business what California does, not being a resident of that state.
But, whatever I believe, some of the far-left take their opposition to Prop 8 too far:
This ad isn’t being shown on TV in the state because it was made too late in the game.
Still…I don’t agree with the Mormon Church’s huge effort for Prop 8, either (though not Mormons agree with the leadership). But you don’t help your side when you go about portraying them as some sort of eeevil Gestapo force. I think it’s counter-productive and frankly kind of disgusting.
Wise up.
Right, those gay couples that are having their marriage licenses stripped by Prop 8 should just go meekly along with it, like the poor Jewish people who got loaded onto the trains in Nazi Germany.
Like it or not, that video depicts precisely what the Mormon jackboots are doing in California. They’re just doing it with cash, lies, and bigotry. It’s about time someone had the balls to call them on their egregious behavior.
I didn’t say they should go along with it. Nice try, though.
There’s calling out a group for their dishonest efforts in opposing this. Then there’s just about employing bigotry in the opposite direction.
And I know many will disagree with me for that. But here they’re being portrayed as socially backward religious extremists who will ban everything. They’ve been labeled like this before.
It too is dishonest. Enough of this “taste of their own medicine” stuff. It’s ridiculous.
Mormons have a right, as citizens of California (and some of the original founding colonists of said state), to fight for their rights, too. The PEOPLE (read Mormons and others) of California spoke and said ‘no’ to gay marriage. The court decided to usurp the voice of the people. That’s why I support prop 8. Of course, the gay folks, who ostensibly committed to the rights of minorities, only pick on the Mormons. Sure, they could point out the broad support of Roman Catholics, Baptists, and black activists, but they know that Mormons are less than 2% of the country and are more often the target attacks than other groups. The gay agenda comes to your home via television and other media every day, while the Mormons come to the door once a year. Way to show your colors gay power folks.
There’s one major reason this is not on TV - it is not sponsored by the No On Prop 8 campaign, and consequently there is probably little money to get this ad on TV. The official No On Prop 8 campaign has not produced any materials or videos which target Mormons - or any group - as this video does. It is without question however, that the Mormon Church, the Catholic Church, the Knights of Columbus, and other supporters of Prop 8 have put before us a proposition that targets one group, same-sex couples for discrimination in the California Constitution. That is the real injustice. This web ad will not get much traction.
I’m a Mormon who’s voting “no” on Prop 8. This reminds me of some of the anti-Mormon cartoons from the 1800’s. Though, at least this one doesn’t have the Mormons dragging the women off to be their wives. I guess that’s a plus.
There should be no room for religious bigotry in a campaign to limit another type of bigotry. I am glad that it did not make it to TV and the the No on 8 coalition has not hyped it.
It’s the people of the LDS church who are fighting to pass Prop. 8 with their time and resources. We have our rights to do it as well. We are not attacking the gay population, rather I feel that I’m being attacked for me beliefs. Yes on Prop. 8 doesn’t say, you can’t get married, it just says, that you need to marry someone of the opposite sex. Plain and simple. The rights of homosexual couples will not be taken away:
“Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits” as married spouses. (Family Code § 297.5.) There are NO exceptions. Proposition 8 WILL NOT change this. ”
It’s rather funny that the “No on Prop. 8″ promotes equality, and yet it discriminates against the beliefs of those who are for Prop. 8. It claims that the Mormon church are the only ones supporting it when their names aren’t even mentioned as the major funders of protectmarriage.com. Here is a letter that will explain what Prop. 8 is really about:
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
Because four activist judges in San Francisco wrongly overturned the people’s vote, we need to pass this measure as a constitutional amendment to RESTORE THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE as a man and a woman.
Proposition 8 is about preserving marriage; it’s not an attack on the gay lifestyle. Proposition 8 doesn’t take away any rights or benefits of gay or lesbian domestic partnerships. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits” as married spouses. (Family Code § 297.5.) There are NO exceptions. Proposition 8 WILL NOT change this.
YES on Proposition 8 does three simple things:
It restores the definition of marriage to what the vast majority of California voters already approved and human history has understood marriage to be.
It overturns the outrageous decision of four activist Supreme Court judges who ignored the will of the people.
It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is the same as traditional marriage.
Proposition 8 protects marriage as an essential institution of society. While death, divorce, or other circumstances may prevent the ideal, the best situation for a child is to be raised by a married mother and father.
The narrow decision of the California Supreme Court isn’t just about “live and let live.” State law may require teachers to instruct children as young as kindergarteners about marriage. (Education Code § 51890.) If the gay marriage ruling is not overturned, TEACHERS COULD BE REQUIRED to teach young children there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional marriage.
We should not accept a court decision that may result in public schools teaching our kids that gay marriage is okay. That is an issue for parents to discuss with their children according to their own values and beliefs. It shouldn’t be forced on us against our will.
Some will try to tell you that Proposition 8 takes away legal rights of gay domestic partnerships. That is false. Proposition 8 DOES NOT take away any of those rights and does not interfere with gays living the lifestyle they choose.
However, while gays have the right to their private lives, they do not have the right to redefine marriage for everyone else.
CALIFORNIANS HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. If gay activists want to legalize gay marriage, they should put it on the ballot. Instead, they have gone behind the backs of voters and convinced four activist judges in San Francisco to redefine marriage for the rest of society. That is the wrong approach.
Voting YES on Proposition 8 RESTORES the definition of marriage that was approved by over 61% of voters. Voting YES overturns the decision of four activist judges. Voting YES protects our children.
Please vote YES on Proposition 8 to RESTORE the meaning of marriage.
RON PRENTICE, President
California Family Council
ROSEMARIE “ROSIE” AVILA, Governing Board Member
Santa Ana Unified School District
BISHOP GEORGE McKINNEY, Director
Coalition of African American Pastors
Dunno why, but the ad seemed more like something someone would make as a parody on YouTube. I think a better couple to take their rings and marriage license would be an anonymous religious sect, not LDS, as catholics and evangelicals are just as responsible for trying to make it their business who gets married. Like it or not, by the way, allowing gays to get married won’t really undermine straight marriage. Afraid homosexuals will dilute your sacred institution? If we go by what “traditional” marriage used to be, it used to be arranged by matchmakers or parents and men would have dozens of wives. That’s been changed by US law, so why are you so worried about extending rights? Times are changing.
This is just a spoff made to piss people off. There is no way it would have made it on TV.
I don’t understand why opponents of prop 8 are so scared of people and churches standing up for what they believe in. To compare this to Jews in Nazi Germany (or the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s) is offensive. Proponents of prop 8 are doing nothing more than excercising their constitutional rights. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
Rodney: I don’t understand. You say, “No one is forcing anyone to do anything.” Do you mean that preventing someone from marrying a person they love is not a coercive attempt to restrict someone’s choices? And how does homosexual marriage hurt your religion? It’s rather simple: if you are against gay marriage, don’t marry a homosexual. Anything else is an attempt to enforce a particular version of religious morality upon a secular state and peopel who may not subscribe to it. Hence, anyone who votes *for* Prop 8 is a bigot, pure and simple.
I am not a Mormon. I am a registered Democrat and a minority that voted yes on Prop 8. I am tired of the “in my face” antics of the gays. I can’t believe they would attack people coming out of their church here in Los Angeles…. They are way out of line and should have been arrested…. I am not a devout church going person but I do have respect for those that do and they have a right to their beliefs….. and their belief is that GOD reserved marriage for a MAN and a WOMAN…… The gays and their supporters acting up here in Los Angeles bring to mind the gays of biblical times in SODOM and GOMORAH….