Drudge has picked it up…MSM can’t be far behind!
http://www.drudgereport.com

I’ve heard it on one of our local TV stations last night.

Is it OK to say “Obama is muslin”, as in the fabric?

Obama was born on U.S. soil in Hawaii to an American citizen and is a “natural-born” citizen. SCOTUS is not examining the case in a way that would lead to a SCOTUS ruling that he is not–they are reviewing a technical point in the dismissal appeal. Even IF they took it up and ruled in favor of the plaintiff, it would go back to square one as a lawsuit with very little chance of going anywhere on the merits.

The mark of a true wingnut is the congenital inability to give utter fugnuttery a f***ing rest.

Hey, is that a helicopter I hear?

I just cannot understand why Obama doesn’t just provide his Vault Copy of his BC and put this whole matter behind him. One phone call and it’s done. How come?

The Birth Certificate has been shown several times. You can go and find it on Fact Check, since I can’t be bothered to try and look it up for the nth time.

Even if he shows the original certificate in front of his face to every media outlet in America, what next? Will he then have to prove his humanity? Perhaps he should prove he’s not some sort of alien leading the way for an invasion?

Come on now. Even the PUMAs gave up this fight months ago.

Come on! All Mr. Obama needs to do is show a CERTIFIED COPY of his birth certificate and this would all go away. It can’t be that hard. Everyone needs a certified copy of their birth certificate to het a driver’s license, get a passport or even play little league baseball. Why is too hard to expect the man who would be president to provide the same.
Please realize, the certificate which was posted on the web is NOT a certified copy of his birth certificate, but an informal “certificate of live birth.” It is not valid for ANY legal purpose.

All of you conspiracy theorists who insist on rehashing your demands on this comments thread even after I specifically warned you not to should read the link where your scenarios have been definitively debunked.

Then again, I guess reading comprehension has never been a strong suit among conspiracy theorists.

What’s funny Jason is that conspiracy theorists aren’t even able to keep their conspiracy theories in order. Take Elbert, who is harping on the COLB, the center of attention of most of these nuts and a claim that has been debunked many times and in many ways. His mention of the COLB is irrelevant to the case at hand. The current case does NOT claim Obama was born outside the US. This guy admits he was born in Hawaii, but says that it’s irrelevant. His “reasoning” if you can call it that, is that since his father was under the jurisdiction of the British at the time of Obama’s birth, Obama has dual citizenship and is ineligible. The sheer dizzying number of holes in the argument makes my head hurt.
But conspiracy theorists are, at their heart, like religious fundamentalists or political fanatics. The answer comes first, and any and all facts are then cherry-picked and deformed to squeeze them into supporting the pre-ordained answer.

ahh the memories of those insisting Palin’s youngest child wasn’t hers.

Jason, can you please clarify ‘Obama is a Muslim nonsense’ part a little bit for me please. I have not made any research as to the roots of Obama and personally I do not think it should matter at all therefore by nonsense do you mean since this statement is not true it becomes nonsense or Obama being implied to be Muslim is nonsense?

Thank you

First, let me emphatically state that I’m not at all questioning Obama’s qualifications specifically- I haven’t been following very closely but it seems that there’s been a reasonable debunking of any doubts of his status as natural born citizen.

I do find it a bit disturbing though that the response to anyone who’s questioned it (from the start, that is, not those who persisted after the question was reasonably resolved) has been along the lines of ‘how dare you question this’ or ‘It’s because he’s not a ‘typical’ white American that these questions are being raised.’ IOW, I think it’s reasonable for Americans to expect that the Constitutional requirements for a person seeking the office of POTUS be fulfilled.

I can understand some sensitivity over Obama being questioned on this- although really, even the fact that he has an unusual pedigree is a legitimate reason to do so (a candidate who is known to have been born of two American citizens would not have reason to be questioned.) But if we want to avoid even the appearance of ‘profiling’ in the way these questions are raised, shouldn’t it be that a candidate must produce evidence of his qualifications (age, natural born citizen requirement, etc) when he/she seeks to have his/her name put on the ballot- and shouldn’t the parties have to vouch for it as well, with a person perhaps designated to verify the evidence and certify the candidate’s Constitutional eligibility? If such a process doesn’t exist, then why not? Why have Constitutional requirements at all if no one checks?

Elif, the matter of him being or not being a Muslim is indeed irrelevant. I am 100% certain that Jason did not mean to imply there was anything at all wrong with being a Muslim.

Unfortunately, in the US, being called a Muslim constitutes a smear. A shockingly high number of people simply cannot concieve of a Muslim sharing their same fundamental values and to many “Muslim” and “terrorist” are practically synonyms. The same could be said for being called an atheist. It would have been great if Obama had, instead of “denying the smear” forcefully said “I ma not be a Muslim but if I were it wouldn’t change anything”. I really wish he had done that, though I can understand that he wanted to be elected and that would have, unfortunately, worked against him.

The prohibition on stating the patently false “Obama is a Muslim” thing is based on our comments policy; specifically rule five. Also to a certain extent rule 2, as people who say “Obama is a Muslim” tend to be very bigoted.

Claudia, thank you for the clarification and explanations

First of all, as alot of us know, Obama came into existence on Antichton. He mutated into his present form in Hawaii which, in a sense, makes him a natural born citizen.

He is not the first from his planet to hold our highest office. Obviously, Teddy Roosevelt was not from Earth.

There are many of us among you including a very attractive anchorwoman on CNN. Can anyone help me meet her?

Re “the matter of him being or not being a Muslim is indeed irrelevant”, that’s an opinion, not a fact. A candidate’s religion is a significant factor in many voters’ minds. Given the legitimate attention given to Mitt Romney’s and Mike Huckabee’s religions, a Muslim candidate should *rightly* have to answer questions about his faith, particularly given its tendency to be inseparable from government overseas.

Obama was not hurt by the “he’s a Muslim” rumors. IMO that’s more likely because voters believed him, not the rumor-mongers, and not an indication that America would have elected him if he were Muslim.

The attention to Romney’s religion was only “legitimate” in the eyes of bigots. And I, for one, have no desire to help publish the rantings of bigots.

The same goes for bizarre rumors about Obama’s religion spread by bigots with the intention of trying to smear him, regardless of whether the attempt is successful or not. I have no desire to help provide publication for such people’s prejudices. Thus, rumors or rantings about people’s religious beliefs are prejudicial and irrelevant and will be automatically deleted on this site.

End of public discussion. Any other concerns about this policy should be taken to email.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Tom Cruise is definately not one of us. He’s just a poser.

The loons (I intentionally choose that word) who think Obama is not a citizen are some of the right wing nuts who give any credibility to claims of right wing political derangement syndrome. Long ago this was proved to be utter nonsense. Obama, like McCain, was born outside the continental US. There is plenty of evidence that he is a USA citizen. None of the conspiracy theorists have been able to offer any evidence of Obama being anything but a US citizen by birth. The burden of proof is on them - and they have not come close to showing Obama to be an alien, let alone an illegal one.

The folks dragging this brain dead idea to court are proving once again that there are adults registered to vote who cannot read or comprehend above a two year age level. THAT is much more scary than the idea that a man with the middle name ‘Hussein’ will be President of the United States.

A follow up to C Stanley. I take your point - and it is a fair one. But to my way of thinking, once Obama had shown that he was a natural born US Citizen, this whole thing should have gone away - about day one, with no follow up. Now here, I think the MSM may be part of the problem, because they kept reporting on the crazies claiming Obama was an alien. this was not as stupid as it sounds in that it kept Obama’s name in front of the public, and made him into a sympathetic figure because he was being hounded by bigots. It was much like Hillary Clinton’s moment of choking up on the campaign trail - and the media made her into the victim of the bully boy misogynists. The press kept playing both stories up long after they had been refuted, but in a way which supported their candidates.

Can we at least all agree that this is Obama’s recession?

Look, I voted for the guy but more importantly, the electorate and US Constitution should be respected. If there are questions, from the looney left or right, let’s have them aired in public view so there are NO questions left to be tossed about. That’s not too much to ask or expect.

First of all, as alot of us know, Obama came into existence on Antichton.

*Sigh* There had to be one, didn’t there?

CStanley, of course asking questions is okay, but it seems like this current question is one more of the murky U.S. law variety, the same the brought questions up about McCain’s citizenship.

I assume, of course, that you also welcome questions about the equally ridiculous question of Trig Palin’s birth? Ones that still continue in some quarters?

I assume, of course, that you also welcome questions about the equally ridiculous question of Trig Palin’s birth? Ones that still continue in some quarters?

Say what?? What does having a child have to do with Constitutional requirement to hold the office of the presidency, Michael? You can’t be serious?

In fact, raising that comparison shows my point: that the burden of proof should indeed be on the candidate to show that he’s eligible if questions are raised (whereas the burden of proof in the case of an issue which may be of interest to voters is on those who raise the issue, not on the candidate to disprove rumors.) Many people have said otherwise- that these questions are just loony conspiracy theories which shouldn’t be given the dignity of a response. While I agree with Orson (in fact I noted the same point in my original comment- once the question was answered, then further tin foil hat claims of illegitimacy should be ignored), the original question of one’s eligibility should be a completely valid question.

And of course, as noted, Michael, this has absolutely no comparison to wild speculation about maternity of one’s child.

Blah! My bad there. I misread your post under lack of sleep and was thinking you meant to say raising questions in general. Wasn’t deliberately trying to raise an apples and oranges comparison.

And I agreed that the questions should be answered. And to my mind they have been.

Both candidates in this election cycle have had the questioned raise, and both have answered them properly.

OK, no problem, Michael. My point was just that some Obama supporters and surrogates behaved as though the original question of his eligibility shouldn’t have been raised at all. I found the ‘racist’ angle particularly obnoxious as an attempt to silence anyone who questioned him. And there’s also irony in the fact that Obama himself first got elected to office in Illinois by challenging the eligibility of his own opponents.

Asking questions is fine. What differentiates the merely critical from the bigoted is whether or not they accept the answers.

Not everyone questioning Obama on his nationality is a Wing Nut. Some of us voted for him. However, afterwords the fact that he lived and held a passport in Indonesia during a time that the US did not have a specified kind of agreement with them, means he would of had to DENY or his mother would of had to deny his US citizenship and become a citizen of that country to be able to legally hold a passport and also to be able to go to school there. This is something that bothers me, and Obama freely admitted he went to school in Indonesia please read his book. Now that is only one issue, the other issue is due to British law which Kenya was under at the time of his birth it made Obama a duel citizen and the law is recognized due to Treaties we hold with those countries.. Unless he at the age of 21 sent a formal letter to England denouncing his English and his Kenyan citizenship he is still a duel citizen hence the lawsuit. I am not a wing nut I voted for this man, but I believe that he has mislead a lot of people another major concern is the fact that during his law exam he did not disclose his Adopted name. Is this something the US Supreme Court needs to look at YES why because there needs to be a check. This would of happened even if McCain had gotten into office, there were already challenges to his citizenship status however due to him being in the military the military was the one who sent the letter terminating his duel citizenship before his 21st birthday as required by US law in order to be considered an Natural born citizen. I only know this much and I know that it is legally true and anyone who has a child in the US military who was born overseas and hold duel citizenship is explained this law and legal technicality. I can’t even say that Obama is ignorant of the law and that he didn’t already do these things considering he’s a lawyer. No one not even the president or president elect can be more powerful then the Constitution or America is already dead. I hope that Obama did denounce his citizenship and that this is all just Wing nut stuff. Even if the issue just causes there to be a definite check so Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain and future African, White, Purple , Pink or even Green presidents can run without these kind of fringe on the side. Why can’t Mr. Obama as the man who ran to unite the country just answer seriously answer and provide all the documentation to the Court and put everyone’s mind at rest? NO non of these people currently have any harm to them so 10 to 1 they will be dismissed but it will not go away as long as it looks even to a supporter who wishes I could have blind faith in this man, but Bush was already a great example of where Blind faith leads ppl.

Kitt, even if I were to accept the highly dubious claim that you managed to vote for Obama while simultaneously believe all of that unsupported junk, the issue is quite simple:

Obama was born in the United States to an American mother. There is solid evidence for this and only this. All other claims range between conjecture to outright fantasy and have no, none, zero supporting evidence.

I recently applied for a medical license in another state. I am sixty-one years old and had to jump through many hoops to make sure I had a copy of my authentic birth certificate sent to that state.

Obama has not produced a copy of his vault birth certificate. That is all he has to do to put this to rest. Why will he not do it?

Well, it’s finally happened. The Supreme Court has decided the claim Obama is not a citizen are not worth their time to listen to.