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		<title>By: Jason, Managing Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/30/the-furious-passage-of-tayyip-erdogan/comment-page-1/#comment-83470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason, Managing Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of a flood of &lt;em&gt;anti-semitic&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;ad hominum&lt;/em&gt; comments as well as other repeated and deliberate violations of the comments policy, this comments thread has been closed and several commenters banned.

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<p>Those banned must contact me by email if they wish to have their banning reconsidered.</p>
<p>PoliGazette welcomes diverse points of view, but we choose not to publish comments which express their disagreements through personal attack or by embrace of outright racism and bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Noga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suheyla,

&quot;Labeling everyone who criticizes Israel as anti-Semitic, leaves Israel (unfairly) above all.&quot;

You are absolutely right. If you want to criticize Israel&#039;s policies you can do so, quite reasonably. When you do that, I can try to rebut your arguments or facts with superior arguments and better recorded facts. However, antisemitic tropes CANNOT pass for legitimate criticism of Israel. 

The moment Selin said this: 

&quot;Congratulations, Mr. Ellis, as well as the Jewish organizations of America who only look out for Israeli interests and don’t consider for a MOMENT the humanitarian dimensions of this issue, for making Erdogan stand even STRONGER with commentary like this.&quot;

his argument became antisemitic and therefore illegitimate. Why? Because it is no longer aimed at Israel&#039;s POLICIES, but at Jews, elsewhere, who support Israel but are not in any way responsible for Israel&#039;s actions. In other words, for Selin they are suspect and relevant to his argument by virtue of being Jewish. THAT is antisemitism. In case you wondered.

Surely this little distinction is not so difficult to understand, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suheyla,</p>
<p>&#8220;Labeling everyone who criticizes Israel as anti-Semitic, leaves Israel (unfairly) above all.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are absolutely right. If you want to criticize Israel&#8217;s policies you can do so, quite reasonably. When you do that, I can try to rebut your arguments or facts with superior arguments and better recorded facts. However, antisemitic tropes CANNOT pass for legitimate criticism of Israel. </p>
<p>The moment Selin said this: </p>
<p>&#8220;Congratulations, Mr. Ellis, as well as the Jewish organizations of America who only look out for Israeli interests and don’t consider for a MOMENT the humanitarian dimensions of this issue, for making Erdogan stand even STRONGER with commentary like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>his argument became antisemitic and therefore illegitimate. Why? Because it is no longer aimed at Israel&#8217;s POLICIES, but at Jews, elsewhere, who support Israel but are not in any way responsible for Israel&#8217;s actions. In other words, for Selin they are suspect and relevant to his argument by virtue of being Jewish. THAT is antisemitism. In case you wondered.</p>
<p>Surely this little distinction is not so difficult to understand, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Suheyla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suheyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labeling everyone who criticizes Israel as anti-Semitic, leaves Israel (unfairly) above all.  Should we look the other way when Israel bombs thousands of people homeless, just to avoid to be blamed a friend of Hamas? OR; should we nod our head to unjust American support of everything Israel does?

Why should anyone but Israel pay to build back Gaza?  Israel should be forced to repair those homes and feed those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labeling everyone who criticizes Israel as anti-Semitic, leaves Israel (unfairly) above all.  Should we look the other way when Israel bombs thousands of people homeless, just to avoid to be blamed a friend of Hamas? OR; should we nod our head to unjust American support of everything Israel does?</p>
<p>Why should anyone but Israel pay to build back Gaza?  Israel should be forced to repair those homes and feed those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-83432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@muslim(dhimmi bashing mode) &lt;/a&gt; 
Selin, to set your mind at rest I assure you I am neither anti-Turk nor anti-Muslim. What I show is
1. that Erdogan&#039;s irascible temperament is a handicap.
2. that his humanitarian concern is selective and does not, for    
   example, include the Sudan atrocities.  
With regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-83432" rel="nofollow">@muslim(dhimmi bashing mode) </a><br />
Selin, to set your mind at rest I assure you I am neither anti-Turk nor anti-Muslim. What I show is<br />
1. that Erdogan&#8217;s irascible temperament is a handicap.<br />
2. that his humanitarian concern is selective and does not, for<br />
   example, include the Sudan atrocities.<br />
With regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Revert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Ankara now and have been coming and going for the last 15 years. I have never seen an &quot;wave of anti-Semitism&quot; in the country. In fact, it is well known that Turkey is Israel&#039;s greatest ally in the region. The truth is that Israel and Olmert stabbed Erdogan in the back before the last war pretending that they were a reliable partner for peace. Israel has NEVER been a reliable partner for peace; slaughtering civilians, expanding settlements, occupying Palestinian land while employing strangling embargoes by land sea and air. 

We are witnessing the death throws of capitalism, demonocracy and Israel. Your article is bias, ill informed and Islamiphobic. I am not an Erdogan fan myself, but his only crime is standing up for justice and the rights of the 1300 Palestinians that Israel murdered and the justice of the oppressed and occupied. That is much more than the rest of the world&#039;s leaders have been willing to do. That is the leadership that is required in today&#039;s world. KEEP IT UP MR. ERDOGAN!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Ankara now and have been coming and going for the last 15 years. I have never seen an &#8220;wave of anti-Semitism&#8221; in the country. In fact, it is well known that Turkey is Israel&#8217;s greatest ally in the region. The truth is that Israel and Olmert stabbed Erdogan in the back before the last war pretending that they were a reliable partner for peace. Israel has NEVER been a reliable partner for peace; slaughtering civilians, expanding settlements, occupying Palestinian land while employing strangling embargoes by land sea and air. </p>
<p>We are witnessing the death throws of capitalism, demonocracy and Israel. Your article is bias, ill informed and Islamiphobic. I am not an Erdogan fan myself, but his only crime is standing up for justice and the rights of the 1300 Palestinians that Israel murdered and the justice of the oppressed and occupied. That is much more than the rest of the world&#8217;s leaders have been willing to do. That is the leadership that is required in today&#8217;s world. KEEP IT UP MR. ERDOGAN!!</p>
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		<title>By: ahmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World peace and justice become this Turkey ensure

no war...


NE MUTLU TÜRK&#039;ÜM DIYENE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World peace and justice become this Turkey ensure</p>
<p>no war&#8230;</p>
<p>NE MUTLU TÜRK&#8217;ÜM DIYENE</p>
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		<title>By: Noga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both comments by Selin and dhimmi contain anti-Jewish slurs. Selin attributes unusual powers to the &quot;Jewish organizations of America&quot; and dhimmi here opines that a Jew, by being a Jew, cannot be civil.

I urge the moderator to leave these comments as are. Nothing can be more damaging to the image of Turkish thoughtfulness and decency they want to project than these incontinent comments. Never in the horizon a hint of a doubt, unaware that by repeating these defamatory memes they are exhibiting and reinforcing the stereotype of the Turk.

It was Spinoza who said: 

“In this the Turks have achieved the greatest measure of success. They hold even discussion of religion to be sinful, and with their mass of dogma they gain such a thorough hold on the individual’s judgment that they leave no room in the mind for the exercise of reason, or even the capacity to doubt.”

Substitute &quot;Turkishness&quot; for &quot;religion&quot; (or not, as you please) and you get the tone and substance of these two just right, 400 years after the original comment was made.
________

BtW, concerning the slur upon &quot;Jewish organizations of America&quot;:

Not too long ago, Turks were all too willing to seek to use Jewish influence in the Congress to block this acknowledgement of the historical atrocity that was the Armenian genocide. And the Jewish organizations that helped them pretended, for a while, that they couldn&#039;t smell the stench of this humongous hypocrisy. I don&#039;t suppose this failure of &quot;Jewish organizations of America&quot; to mire themselves in this kind of denial has anything at all to do with the open animus against (not Israel, mind you) but JOOS!

http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/2007/08/denying-armenian-genocide-via-normblog.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both comments by Selin and dhimmi contain anti-Jewish slurs. Selin attributes unusual powers to the &#8220;Jewish organizations of America&#8221; and dhimmi here opines that a Jew, by being a Jew, cannot be civil.</p>
<p>I urge the moderator to leave these comments as are. Nothing can be more damaging to the image of Turkish thoughtfulness and decency they want to project than these incontinent comments. Never in the horizon a hint of a doubt, unaware that by repeating these defamatory memes they are exhibiting and reinforcing the stereotype of the Turk.</p>
<p>It was Spinoza who said: </p>
<p>“In this the Turks have achieved the greatest measure of success. They hold even discussion of religion to be sinful, and with their mass of dogma they gain such a thorough hold on the individual’s judgment that they leave no room in the mind for the exercise of reason, or even the capacity to doubt.”</p>
<p>Substitute &#8220;Turkishness&#8221; for &#8220;religion&#8221; (or not, as you please) and you get the tone and substance of these two just right, 400 years after the original comment was made.<br />
________</p>
<p>BtW, concerning the slur upon &#8220;Jewish organizations of America&#8221;:</p>
<p>Not too long ago, Turks were all too willing to seek to use Jewish influence in the Congress to block this acknowledgement of the historical atrocity that was the Armenian genocide. And the Jewish organizations that helped them pretended, for a while, that they couldn&#8217;t smell the stench of this humongous hypocrisy. I don&#8217;t suppose this failure of &#8220;Jewish organizations of America&#8221; to mire themselves in this kind of denial has anything at all to do with the open animus against (not Israel, mind you) but JOOS!</p>
<p><a href="http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/2007/08/denying-armenian-genocide-via-normblog.html" rel="nofollow">http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/2007/08/denying-armenian-genocide-via-normblog.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: muslim(dhimmi bashing mode)</title>
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		<dc:creator>muslim(dhimmi bashing mode)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haah. I though Glutton Perez raised his tone too high and talked pointing finger at Erdogan. He was very biased and overly emotional. Well, wait he is a Jew, so no need or no hope of being civil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haah. I though Glutton Perez raised his tone too high and talked pointing finger at Erdogan. He was very biased and overly emotional. Well, wait he is a Jew, so no need or no hope of being civil.</p>
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		<title>By: Selin</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/30/the-furious-passage-of-tayyip-erdogan/comment-page-1/#comment-83424</link>
		<dc:creator>Selin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, as I can see the anti-AKP elements are starting to show their deeply rooted anti-Turkish as well as anti-Muslim bias. Talk about moving forwards to the real &quot;clash of civilizations&quot; here.

I have a history of critiquing Erdogan. I also have a history of agreeing with Robert Ellis on various other issues. But this &quot;opinion&quot; piece is really telling a lot of things. 

Congratulations, Mr. Ellis, as well as the Jewish organizations of America who only look out for Israeli interests and don&#039;t consider for a MOMENT the humanitarian dimensions of this issue, for making Erdogan stand even STRONGER with commentary like this. 

You are the GIFT that keeps on giving political FREEBIES to Erdogan.  Erdogan&#039;s image of being the &quot;righteous&quot; leader of the downtrodden and dispossessed has thus been set in stone. 

Congrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, as I can see the anti-AKP elements are starting to show their deeply rooted anti-Turkish as well as anti-Muslim bias. Talk about moving forwards to the real &#8220;clash of civilizations&#8221; here.</p>
<p>I have a history of critiquing Erdogan. I also have a history of agreeing with Robert Ellis on various other issues. But this &#8220;opinion&#8221; piece is really telling a lot of things. </p>
<p>Congratulations, Mr. Ellis, as well as the Jewish organizations of America who only look out for Israeli interests and don&#8217;t consider for a MOMENT the humanitarian dimensions of this issue, for making Erdogan stand even STRONGER with commentary like this. </p>
<p>You are the GIFT that keeps on giving political FREEBIES to Erdogan.  Erdogan&#8217;s image of being the &#8220;righteous&#8221; leader of the downtrodden and dispossessed has thus been set in stone. </p>
<p>Congrats.</p>
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		<title>By: R. H. Ryder</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. H. Ryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM Erdogan claims he acted to uphold the honor of Turkey. It seems to me that behavior similar to a petulant child reflects poorly on Turkey. In his defense, the Turkish press attributes to the PM the statement that Turkey has never targeted a specific religion or people or never will. This suggests he must be either ignorant of modern Turkish history or   extremely disingenuous. I suspect the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM Erdogan claims he acted to uphold the honor of Turkey. It seems to me that behavior similar to a petulant child reflects poorly on Turkey. In his defense, the Turkish press attributes to the PM the statement that Turkey has never targeted a specific religion or people or never will. This suggests he must be either ignorant of modern Turkish history or   extremely disingenuous. I suspect the latter.</p>
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