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	<title>Comments on: Obama Already a Lame Duck? Obamacare Going Down</title>
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		<title>By: G. Anthony Postin</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Anthony Postin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God for the Blue Dog Democrats!</description>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only sincerely hope the president chooses not to work with the obstructionist Republicans. That would be disasterous for America. When the Democrats win an even bigger margin in 2010, which from the looks of things, they will, maybe then Republicans will learn the American people are reacting badly to their &#039;just say no&#039; approach to everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only sincerely hope the president chooses not to work with the obstructionist Republicans. That would be disasterous for America. When the Democrats win an even bigger margin in 2010, which from the looks of things, they will, maybe then Republicans will learn the American people are reacting badly to their &#8216;just say no&#8217; approach to everything.</p>
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		<title>By: John Boy Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Boy Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this reform is so great then why are the congressmen and women exempting themselves from it? Why won&#039;t BO commit to putting himself and his family on it? I would think that people would have at least half a clue to at least question why that would be but then I forget the power of koolade. This isn&#039;t about reform this is about revenge, power and control. Nothing more, nothing less. Don&#039;t believe me look for yourself who is bankrolling some of those groups who are such advocates of this so-called reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this reform is so great then why are the congressmen and women exempting themselves from it? Why won&#8217;t BO commit to putting himself and his family on it? I would think that people would have at least half a clue to at least question why that would be but then I forget the power of koolade. This isn&#8217;t about reform this is about revenge, power and control. Nothing more, nothing less. Don&#8217;t believe me look for yourself who is bankrolling some of those groups who are such advocates of this so-called reform.</p>
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		<title>By: wilky</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We should have health care that’s incentivized to heal people not make profits&quot;

Then your not listening. Obamas not talking about healing. He&#039;s talking about managing health care. As he told the daughter of an elderly women that needed a pacemaker, “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.“ Implying that her mother is dead weight, and she dragging us down. And for bonus points, it will keep the social security payments down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We should have health care that’s incentivized to heal people not make profits&#8221;</p>
<p>Then your not listening. Obamas not talking about healing. He&#8217;s talking about managing health care. As he told the daughter of an elderly women that needed a pacemaker, “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers.“ Implying that her mother is dead weight, and she dragging us down. And for bonus points, it will keep the social security payments down.</p>
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		<title>By: Doomed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doomed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care is a business.

Nutrition is a business.

Dentistry is a business.

Vitamins are a business.

And right after we start giving away FREE health care whats next?  Free Dental?  Free health supplements?  Free Vitamins?  How about free Glasses and free braces and free pearly white capped teeth?

Its amazing how people think they are OWED.  Our generation is a generation of YOU OWE ME&gt;  We dont seem to want to work for anything.  YOU OWE US.

Sad.  Life is a business.  Your parents gave you life.  What comes next is all business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care is a business.</p>
<p>Nutrition is a business.</p>
<p>Dentistry is a business.</p>
<p>Vitamins are a business.</p>
<p>And right after we start giving away FREE health care whats next?  Free Dental?  Free health supplements?  Free Vitamins?  How about free Glasses and free braces and free pearly white capped teeth?</p>
<p>Its amazing how people think they are OWED.  Our generation is a generation of YOU OWE ME&gt;  We dont seem to want to work for anything.  YOU OWE US.</p>
<p>Sad.  Life is a business.  Your parents gave you life.  What comes next is all business.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really impressive how the health care business has rallied to attack health care reform- It&#039;s been a long time since they defeated Clintons plan back in the nineties, and with the support of the do nothing  Bush Administration they got a free ride for eight additional years.  

I believe President Obama will ensure the integrity of his campaign promise on health care.  The people are fed up with the corporate health care business. They&#039;ve had us by the little hairs too long.

We should have health care that&#039;s incentivized to heal people not make profits.

We should be able to keep our health care when we change jobs.

We should be able to move around the country and keep our health care (today it&#039;s restricted to states or regions by design to control your access to health care)

We should be able to shop around for the best program regardless of where we live.

We should be able to obtain health care with pre-existing medical conditions.


We can&#039;t do any of these things today. The system is broken, and the corporate medical industry wants to keep it broken. They like it just the way it is- low risk to them and very profitable. They care more about profit than people. It&#039;s disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really impressive how the health care business has rallied to attack health care reform- It&#8217;s been a long time since they defeated Clintons plan back in the nineties, and with the support of the do nothing  Bush Administration they got a free ride for eight additional years.  </p>
<p>I believe President Obama will ensure the integrity of his campaign promise on health care.  The people are fed up with the corporate health care business. They&#8217;ve had us by the little hairs too long.</p>
<p>We should have health care that&#8217;s incentivized to heal people not make profits.</p>
<p>We should be able to keep our health care when we change jobs.</p>
<p>We should be able to move around the country and keep our health care (today it&#8217;s restricted to states or regions by design to control your access to health care)</p>
<p>We should be able to shop around for the best program regardless of where we live.</p>
<p>We should be able to obtain health care with pre-existing medical conditions.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t do any of these things today. The system is broken, and the corporate medical industry wants to keep it broken. They like it just the way it is- low risk to them and very profitable. They care more about profit than people. It&#8217;s disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder how much they actually know about the current public plan being debated. This only goes to show that most people aren’t very rational either: The US system is the “goodest” system if one thinks that “more public system = ungood” but when one looks to actual results it remains the “baddest”. &lt;/i&gt;

Actually the public support keeps going down the more people learn about what is really in the proposals. People generally supported the idea of expanding coverage to more people, but not at the expense of being forced out of the health plan that they currently have.

On your other point here, it&#039;s certainly true that one has to define the terms of the debate, and what is meant by a &#039;good&#039; healthcare system. But it&#039;s completely false to claim that the US is among the &#039;baddest&#039;, by any metric. Overally WHO rankings had the US at #37, and most of the negative factors had to do with cost, not quality. On one metric which is particularly important to American consumers, &lt;a&gt;WHO ranked our system #1&lt;/a&gt;- that is, patient responsiveness:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Responsiveness: Responsiveness includes two major components. These are (a) respect for persons (including dignity, confidentiality and autonomy of individuals and families to decide about their own health); and (b) client orientation (including prompt attention, access to social support networks during care, quality of basic amenities and choice of provider).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And there&#039;s the rub. If people believe that this plan could pass and not endanger the positive qualities that we enjoy in our current system, they might cross their fingers on the cost projections and tentatively support it. That&#039;s why Obama keeps telling people over and over that if they like their current plan, they won&#039;t need to change it. However, the text of the bill itself already show that there are going to be a myriad of ways that people will potentially lose their existing coverage or be forced out over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wonder how much they actually know about the current public plan being debated. This only goes to show that most people aren’t very rational either: The US system is the “goodest” system if one thinks that “more public system = ungood” but when one looks to actual results it remains the “baddest”. </i></p>
<p>Actually the public support keeps going down the more people learn about what is really in the proposals. People generally supported the idea of expanding coverage to more people, but not at the expense of being forced out of the health plan that they currently have.</p>
<p>On your other point here, it&#8217;s certainly true that one has to define the terms of the debate, and what is meant by a &#8216;good&#8217; healthcare system. But it&#8217;s completely false to claim that the US is among the &#8216;baddest&#8217;, by any metric. Overally WHO rankings had the US at #37, and most of the negative factors had to do with cost, not quality. On one metric which is particularly important to American consumers, <a>WHO ranked our system #1</a>- that is, patient responsiveness:</p>
<blockquote><p>Responsiveness: Responsiveness includes two major components. These are (a) respect for persons (including dignity, confidentiality and autonomy of individuals and families to decide about their own health); and (b) client orientation (including prompt attention, access to social support networks during care, quality of basic amenities and choice of provider).</p></blockquote>
<p>And there&#8217;s the rub. If people believe that this plan could pass and not endanger the positive qualities that we enjoy in our current system, they might cross their fingers on the cost projections and tentatively support it. That&#8217;s why Obama keeps telling people over and over that if they like their current plan, they won&#8217;t need to change it. However, the text of the bill itself already show that there are going to be a myriad of ways that people will potentially lose their existing coverage or be forced out over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is the weather there is bizarro world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the weather there is bizarro world?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32791

&quot;The President and Democrat leaders in Congress must think most Americans are not smart enough to realize the health care reforms they propose are equivalent to the bad loans and false promises that led to the current recession. But, unfortunately for them, many are catching on: 49% now oppose these reforms and only 45% support them, and the number of supporters is falling by the day. All Americans must demand time to read the bill, understand the provisions, and require honest long term accounting for the costs -- for the beneficiaries of today, and our children who will be paying for it in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32791" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32791</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The President and Democrat leaders in Congress must think most Americans are not smart enough to realize the health care reforms they propose are equivalent to the bad loans and false promises that led to the current recession. But, unfortunately for them, many are catching on: 49% now oppose these reforms and only 45% support them, and the number of supporters is falling by the day. All Americans must demand time to read the bill, understand the provisions, and require honest long term accounting for the costs &#8212; for the beneficiaries of today, and our children who will be paying for it in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2009/07/22/obama-already-a-lame-duck-obamacare-going-down/comment-page-1/#comment-98584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t literally mean what you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t literally mean what you said.</p>
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