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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi: Because manners are for suckers</title>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/02/pelosi-because-manners-are-for-suckers/comment-page-1/#comment-103239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Remember how Nancy Pelosi cried foul when Republican Joe Wilson lashed out at Democrats? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
My memory of the (blown well out of proportion) incident was that Wilson was criticized primarily for when he made the comment rather than that he made it.  Plenty of Republican representatives have called Obama a liar and worse without the consequences Wilson faced before and after that particular incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Remember how Nancy Pelosi cried foul when Republican Joe Wilson lashed out at Democrats? </p></blockquote>
<p>My memory of the (blown well out of proportion) incident was that Wilson was criticized primarily for when he made the comment rather than that he made it.  Plenty of Republican representatives have called Obama a liar and worse without the consequences Wilson faced before and after that particular incident.</p>
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		<title>By: Doomed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doomed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Allison 

I am sorry to hear of your predicament.  There are too many stories like yours.  A public option will not prevent what happened to you from ever happening again.

A public option is simply an option owned by the government designed to do one thing.  Drive down costs and with it to drive down premiums.  That is all a public option will do.

If costs come down and premiums come down you can rest assured that if health care has a public option that there will be even longer waits and much more difficult times ahead for Americans and health care.
 
Those Democrats claiming that a public option will simply solve all of Americas problems when it comes to health care are either lying or stupid.  I can list all the government run entitlement programs that are bankrupt but I wont. What I will do is go to the open market.  Go out into the streets of America and look at our free market that is consumer driven.

Free markets are unregulated.  Americas free market system is so regulated that the cost of regulations is crushing.  The health care industry is one of the most regulated industries in the world.  Simply allowing all the health insurance companies to pool will create competition for the few percent of profits that are available to them.  But even this pooling of insurance and competition between companies for YOUR dollar will not drive down premiums significantly.

The democrats are praying for this.  Counting on this and praising God for this. 

Why do you ask?  I&#039;m glad you asked.  Because when the Health Insurance companies only lower their premiums 5-10 percent the government triggers for a public option will kick in.  The US government will have a program that is 40-50 percent cheaper then current healthcare insurance companies charge.

Everyone will flock to this public option(Which is exactly what the Democrats want to have happen)because it is cheaper.  Regular health care will start being illiminated  by employers who will pay their employees a monthly allotment to go buy their own health insurance.

Eventually what we will see happen is a shift in health care coverage from private to Public option.   Hence we will see Medicare for everyone.  Private health care companies will start selling you supplemental insurance policies.

So what you will have in the end is a gigantic medicare system that keeps costs under control by telling doctors and hospitals what they will pay.  To protect profits the hospitals will cut services.  Cut employees and cut payments to doctors for services.

Now lets look at medicare for a minute.  Many seniors are paying 96.50 per month for medicare up to about 140.00 per month.  In addition that only pays 80 percent of your bill.  You have to pay the rest.  

So seniors are forced to either have that 20 percent written off, suffer bill collection or buy a supplemental insurance coverage that can cost them from between 150-450 dollars per month.

So health insurance for a single individual can cost seniors as much as 1200 dollars per month for a husband and wife.  When you consider their Medicare premium on top of their supplemental health care premium.  Even with these staggering costs the system is still Bankrupt.

This is government run health care.  A bankrupt Medicare system that is going to CUT even more services so that they dont have to simply raise the premiums and premiums that are already exorbitantly expensive.

Seniors have some protections.  Even with no supplemental insurance they can still have decent health care and just battle the doctors and hospitals later for the rest owing.

IN the future I can guarantee you that with a public option what will result is the Governments option will give basic health care coverage for oh Im just guessing around 250-450 dollars per month.  Additionally what will happen to the non competitive health care insurers we have now is they will do what many countries in Europe are experiencing.

They will provide SUPPLEMENTAL health care insurance to those who can afford it.  The cost of which will most likely run you from 250-600 dollars per month.  

The difference is going to be that these two combined health care coverages are going to lean themselves down to bare bones, cut workers and staffers and further reduce jobs.  In addition the health care industry itself will have to do the same thing to protect profits.

When we as a nation start demanding that health care be a right and not a benefit then the fact we allow that benefit to be driven by profits is ludicrous.  Health Care, Insurance and drug companies must be demanded to become non profit to ever make it work in America.

Non profit public entitlement.  This is exactly what the Democrats and their public option are banking on.  The public option is just a long way to socializing our health care system instead of just throwing out a government run single payer next month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Allison </p>
<p>I am sorry to hear of your predicament.  There are too many stories like yours.  A public option will not prevent what happened to you from ever happening again.</p>
<p>A public option is simply an option owned by the government designed to do one thing.  Drive down costs and with it to drive down premiums.  That is all a public option will do.</p>
<p>If costs come down and premiums come down you can rest assured that if health care has a public option that there will be even longer waits and much more difficult times ahead for Americans and health care.</p>
<p>Those Democrats claiming that a public option will simply solve all of Americas problems when it comes to health care are either lying or stupid.  I can list all the government run entitlement programs that are bankrupt but I wont. What I will do is go to the open market.  Go out into the streets of America and look at our free market that is consumer driven.</p>
<p>Free markets are unregulated.  Americas free market system is so regulated that the cost of regulations is crushing.  The health care industry is one of the most regulated industries in the world.  Simply allowing all the health insurance companies to pool will create competition for the few percent of profits that are available to them.  But even this pooling of insurance and competition between companies for YOUR dollar will not drive down premiums significantly.</p>
<p>The democrats are praying for this.  Counting on this and praising God for this. </p>
<p>Why do you ask?  I&#8217;m glad you asked.  Because when the Health Insurance companies only lower their premiums 5-10 percent the government triggers for a public option will kick in.  The US government will have a program that is 40-50 percent cheaper then current healthcare insurance companies charge.</p>
<p>Everyone will flock to this public option(Which is exactly what the Democrats want to have happen)because it is cheaper.  Regular health care will start being illiminated  by employers who will pay their employees a monthly allotment to go buy their own health insurance.</p>
<p>Eventually what we will see happen is a shift in health care coverage from private to Public option.   Hence we will see Medicare for everyone.  Private health care companies will start selling you supplemental insurance policies.</p>
<p>So what you will have in the end is a gigantic medicare system that keeps costs under control by telling doctors and hospitals what they will pay.  To protect profits the hospitals will cut services.  Cut employees and cut payments to doctors for services.</p>
<p>Now lets look at medicare for a minute.  Many seniors are paying 96.50 per month for medicare up to about 140.00 per month.  In addition that only pays 80 percent of your bill.  You have to pay the rest.  </p>
<p>So seniors are forced to either have that 20 percent written off, suffer bill collection or buy a supplemental insurance coverage that can cost them from between 150-450 dollars per month.</p>
<p>So health insurance for a single individual can cost seniors as much as 1200 dollars per month for a husband and wife.  When you consider their Medicare premium on top of their supplemental health care premium.  Even with these staggering costs the system is still Bankrupt.</p>
<p>This is government run health care.  A bankrupt Medicare system that is going to CUT even more services so that they dont have to simply raise the premiums and premiums that are already exorbitantly expensive.</p>
<p>Seniors have some protections.  Even with no supplemental insurance they can still have decent health care and just battle the doctors and hospitals later for the rest owing.</p>
<p>IN the future I can guarantee you that with a public option what will result is the Governments option will give basic health care coverage for oh Im just guessing around 250-450 dollars per month.  Additionally what will happen to the non competitive health care insurers we have now is they will do what many countries in Europe are experiencing.</p>
<p>They will provide SUPPLEMENTAL health care insurance to those who can afford it.  The cost of which will most likely run you from 250-600 dollars per month.  </p>
<p>The difference is going to be that these two combined health care coverages are going to lean themselves down to bare bones, cut workers and staffers and further reduce jobs.  In addition the health care industry itself will have to do the same thing to protect profits.</p>
<p>When we as a nation start demanding that health care be a right and not a benefit then the fact we allow that benefit to be driven by profits is ludicrous.  Health Care, Insurance and drug companies must be demanded to become non profit to ever make it work in America.</p>
<p>Non profit public entitlement.  This is exactly what the Democrats and their public option are banking on.  The public option is just a long way to socializing our health care system instead of just throwing out a government run single payer next month.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This minds me to donate to Mr. Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This minds me to donate to Mr. Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allison</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2009/10/02/pelosi-because-manners-are-for-suckers/comment-page-1/#comment-102978</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep Grayson is my hero now. I am a retired x-republican who is tired of all the members of congress. All Republicans are now just lying and most all democrats are without backbones. We need a public option to keep from being screwed by the insurance companies. I know I went bankrupt in 1996 because of my insurance company &quot;Pacific Care&#039;s&quot; lack of interest in my physical condition. Their time delays kept me off work almost 12 months before they agreed to a total knee replacement procedure. I was out of work 18 months total and had dried up my disability bank. This forced me into bankruptcy. No person should be forced into bankruptcy because of a private health care companies dallying and irresponsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep Grayson is my hero now. I am a retired x-republican who is tired of all the members of congress. All Republicans are now just lying and most all democrats are without backbones. We need a public option to keep from being screwed by the insurance companies. I know I went bankrupt in 1996 because of my insurance company &#8220;Pacific Care&#8217;s&#8221; lack of interest in my physical condition. Their time delays kept me off work almost 12 months before they agreed to a total knee replacement procedure. I was out of work 18 months total and had dried up my disability bank. This forced me into bankruptcy. No person should be forced into bankruptcy because of a private health care companies dallying and irresponsibility.</p>
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